Daily Oklahoman: Can the Big 12’s football fortunes be reversed after a disastrous bowl season?

[TopFrog]

Can the Big 12’s football fortunes be reversed after a disastrous bowl season?

by BERRY TRAMEL

Big 12 football came to a merciful season’s end New Year’s Night. Georgia beat Baylor 26-14 in the Sugar Bowl, and the Big 12 limped home with a 1-5 post-season record.

Only Texas delivered a victory, a 38-10 whipping of Utah in the Alamo Bowl. The Utes were a good team; they arrived in San Antonio with an 11-2 record and ranked 11th nationally.

Utah thus becomes the Big 12’s best victory of the 2019 season, and nothing else is close. The Big 12 had zero non-conference wins over Power 5 opponents with so much as a .500 record. Mississippi State and Boston College, both 6-7, are the most notable conquered this side of Utah. Both fired their coaches after the season.

Read more at https://oklahoman.com/article/56515...s-saved-the-big-12-from-a-winless-post-season

 

[Moose Stuff]

Nope. The Big 12 will never be good again. Ever. Shut it down. Also.... scheiss Berry Tramel.

 

[Limp Lizard]

Remember the Big 10 had several awful bowl years, including 2010. Then tOSU won the first playoff in 2014 and has been considered a powerhouse, despite some bad bowl years, ever since.

 

[BrewingFrog]

Didn't the B!G lose all of their Bowl matchups in 2010/1 (Highlighted, of course, by Wisconsin losing the Rose Bowl)? I don't remember ESPN tearing out their entrails over it or theorizing that they were going to disband in shame...

 

[Wexahu]

Didn't the B!G lose all of their Bowl matchups in 2010/1 (Highlighted, of course, by Wisconsin losing the Rose Bowl)? I don't remember ESPN tearing out their entrails over it or theorizing that they were going to disband in shame...

Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention but I have hardly heard anything from ESPN, much less them tearing out their entrails or theorizing the Big 12 was going to disband in shame. This is one writer from Oklahoma.

 

[BrewingFrog]

Poke the B1G, get a yelp from Wex...

 

[Big Frog II]

Barry is the Big Steaming Pile of Oklahoma.

 

[Pharm Frog]

Barry is the Big Steaming Pile of Oklahoma.

Not even close...seriously not even in the same multiverse

 

[BABYFACE]

Stupid article. The Big 12 has been very good in bowl games in the recent bowl years. They had a bad bowl record this season. Boo hoo.

If the conference has three bad bowl seasons in a row, then let’s discuss it.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Can't blame TCU!

 

[Froggy Bottom]

The non playoff bowls are irrelevant. Nobody remembers them a year later

OU getting slaughtered by an SEC team (again) doesn’t help the leagues perception with recruits

But the real issue, the one we’ve all been carefully ignoring, is the new SEC TV deal. very soon teams from the B1G and the SEC are going to be making AT LEAST 10-15 million more that UT, the richest school in the conference and over 20 million more than the rest of us who aren’t UT or OU.

That sort of monetary disadvantage will radically shake this conference. It could mean a desperate alliance with the PAC similar to the merger of the SWC and B8 or it could mean our worst fear of UT and OU abandoning the B12 to join the B1G or SEC.

It’s coming so we best prepare because you don’t want bad sports and worse attendance when other leagues are debating if you’re worth throwing a life line to. We suffered through that before already.

 

[Casey T]

The non playoff bowls are irrelevant. Nobody remembers them a year later

OU getting slaughtered by an SEC team (again) doesn’t help the leagues perception with recruits

But the real issue, the one we’ve all been carefully ignoring, is the new SEC TV deal. very soon teams from the B1G and the SEC are going to be making AT LEAST 10-15 million more that UT, the richest school in the conference and over 20 million more than the rest of us who aren’t UT or OU.

That sort of monetary disadvantage will radically shake this conference. It could mean a desperate alliance with the PAC similar to the merger of the SWC and B8 or it could mean our worst fear of UT and OU abandoning the B12 to join the B1G or SEC.

It’s coming so we best prepare because you don’t want bad sports and worse attendance when other leagues are debating if you’re worth throwing a life line to. We suffered through that before already.

UT makes more than sec or b10 right now, I doubt it’ll be very soon that they pass them by 10-15M since the B12 revenues also increase each year.

 

[BABYFACE]

The non playoff bowls are irrelevant. Nobody remembers them a year later

OU getting slaughtered by an SEC team (again) doesn’t help the leagues perception with recruits

But the real issue, the one we’ve all been carefully ignoring, is the new SEC TV deal. very soon teams from the B1G and the SEC are going to be making AT LEAST 10-15 million more that UT, the richest school in the conference and over 20 million more than the rest of us who aren’t UT or OU.

That sort of monetary disadvantage will radically shake this conference. It could mean a desperate alliance with the PAC similar to the merger of the SWC and B8 or it could mean our worst fear of UT and OU abandoning the B12 to join the B1G or SEC.

It’s coming so we best prepare because you don’t want bad sports and worse attendance when other leagues are debating if you’re worth throwing a life line to. We suffered through that before already.

Nope.

PAC 12 and ACC are way behind Big 12 in revenue. B1G is full and doubt SEC takes anyone else and why would they. The PAC 12 and the ACC have more to worry about than the Big 12 does.

 

[Casey T]

4 of the 5 B12 bowl losses were to 13-0 LSU, 11-2 Georgia, 10-2 Notre Dame, 10-2 Navy. The other loss was ok st playing without their starting qb or AA wr.

The B12 win was vs. 11-2 Utah.

That is a brutal set of matchups. How many other conferences had 5 bowl matchups against teams with 10+ wins? Zero. The closest was the B10 with 4 and their record in those games was 1-3 with their win being Memphis. The SEC only played 3 going 2-1

 

[Froggy Bottom]

UT makes more than sec or b10 right now, I doubt it’ll be very soon that they pass them by 10-15M since the B12 revenues also increase each year.

It was announced that Disney/ABC will buy their rights from CBS. The conservative estimates right now are that each SEC school will be making 60 million a year from their total TV rights and could be as high as 66 million

UT, with the extra 15 mil from LHN makes about 51 million right now. Tied with what the B1G is currently making per school but will increase with the next B1G contract.

The chances that our contract, which is already very generous for just 10 teams, will keep up with them is not very likely.

 

[Zubaz]

The non playoff bowls are irrelevant. Nobody remembers them a year later

OU getting slaughtered by an SEC team (again) doesn’t help the leagues perception with recruits

This. The Big 12's auto-bid champion has gone 1-6 in their NY6 / CFP bowl game since conference realignment settled down in 2012. The only exception was 2016's OU team beating an 8-4 Auburn team that was beneath both Alabama and Georgia. We haven't played for a national title in 10 years, haven't won one in 15 years. That's strikingly similar to the SWC's performance in the Cotton Bowl the last decade of the conference. As a conference, we need to be able to beat the best when it matters the most and, for the most part...we really haven't been able to recently.

 

[BrewingFrog]

This. The Big 12's auto-bid champion has gone 1-6 in their NY6 / CFP bowl game since conference realignment settled down in 2012. The only exception was 2016's OU team beating an 8-4 Auburn team that was beneath both Alabama and Georgia. We haven't played for a national title in 10 years, haven't won one in 15 years. That's strikingly similar to the SWC's performance in the Cotton Bowl the last decade of the conference. As a conference, we need to be able to beat the best when it matters the most and, for the most part...we really haven't been able to recently.

Didn't a Trevor Knight led OU team defeat mighty Alabama in January 2014?

 

[Zubaz]

Didn't a Trevor Knight led OU team defeat mighty Alabama in January 2014?

They were an at-large selection, Baylor was conference champ and got the auto-bid in 2014. See also, us routing Ole Miss the following year, where we were co-champs but Baylor go the auto-bid to the Cotton Bowl.

 

[Eight]

the bigger concern to me is not the money paid to the conferences, but the limited amount of shelf space if disney/ espn picks up the sec contract

 

[FWSTC Hfrog]

Eight hit the nail on the head. Diminished exposure on the ESPN channels that will now be taken up by SEC games and the most attractive Big 12 game. Fox picks up the next level game(s) and the rest to streaming.