Chico Dusty
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Boykin wasn’t a stellar QB? He was one of the best QBs in the country for almost 2 years.
FWST: Fan poll: Who should be TCU football’s starting quarterback next season?
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TopFrog
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That was his fault.
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McFroggin
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Max has started for how many years now? What has he been patient about?
Eight
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really doesn't matter to me if the fwst or the fanbase is having this debate. what matters is what is being communicated to the players at this position.
froggish and others have pointed out that the most desired traits for success by a quarterback in the dykes/riley offense are things that max has struggled with throughout his time at tcu. the strength of his game in terms of production has been his running the football and i don't recall dykes ever having an offense where the quarterback was the primary ball carrier in the run game
how much can he improve, how much does he need to improve to run this offense? that is up to riley and dykes and i have nothing wrong with them not making a decision. i also think the fact that morris hasn't been named the clear #1 an indictment of him. max has some tools he doesn't have and neither one was being coached by a position coach with a track record of teaching the position.
the kid at baylor was a one season starter and outside of the wvu game was very soso and the guy who beat him out was very, very productive in the games he played last season. a case could be made that shappen beat him out last season when you compare the production and that isn't clearly the case with morris and max
I agree with this, accuracy is an issue - but the biggest issue is consistency. Lots of QBs show flashes of brilliance, but the big winners are consistent.
Under Gary, there's no doubt in my mind that Max would get the nod. Patterson seemed to be big "he's earned it" guy. I think the decision to go with Alex Delton in 2019 best exemplifies this. Gary would say he's a leader, he works the hardest - but I never thought he was the best choice for QB.
In some ways I would agree that Max has earned it. There have been times where the put the team on his back and won games almost single handedly - Max has shown repeatedly that he'll put it all on the line to win.
A new coach isn't weighed down by that stuff, especially since Max won't be here next year. Sonny is going to put the guy out there that gives him the best chance to win games.
I have to confess, as a student in 2007, I joined in an "Action Jackson" chant; encouraging GP to pull freshman QB Andy Dalton and put in Marcus Jackson.
Long story short, I'm glad fans don't get a vote.
Putt4Purple
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My only concern and grief I have with Max is the throw to the long outside fade route along the sideline, which 95% of the time is either too long or out of bounds. If he would just change his decision on his receiver or play call on that one issue alone he would be a much better QB. My feeling is he was taught that at nauseam by a certain coach as a bail out throw. It winds up being a wasted play!
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Virginia Frog
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I'm intrigued by this Baylor QB situation.
I would assume that Bohanon made a deal with Aranda: he wanted to start as QB but was not going to accept riding the pine if his competition won the job in Spring Drills. So rather then leave in January he offered this round-about portal strategy so the coach/team had all options open. His heart was to stay at BU but he could accept the outcome if it wasn't to his liking. (He was bigger than BU he thought, IMO.)
Maybe Max could do the same. I can't read his mind but I don't see Max leaving (unless he was told flat out that he was benched for '22.) I believe his thoughts are: TCU is his school, the Frogs are his team and he's gonna finish what he started. (Even if the coach's judgment was that he was #2, he knows things can change for many reasons and #1 could come in a flash.)
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How about we tear the fade out of the playbook altogether and never call it again. Ever.
SwissArmyFrog
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Sounds like Boykin: for 2 years Boykin was the epitome of an inaccurate, slow processor. Then new coaching shows up in 2014 that actually moved toward his weaknesses, yet he then flourished.
That said, past scenarios are past, and promise nothing. Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
ticketfrog123
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Where can he transfer to and learn the playbook to win a starting job over the summer?
Iowa? Northern Iowa?
If Max starts ... we should see an improved performance, over the 2021 4th in the Big12 efficiency(64%) of QBs, with 2,000+ yds passing; ahead of:
Purdy ISU/Doege WVU/Sanders OSU/Bohanon BU/Rattler OU/Bean KU... behind one of the poorer pass protection OLs in the league.
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And the Seattle fans knew Boykin was their future, after Wilson... until he stepped in the dog poop again.
Chongo94
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I will FOREVER lament and hate that Delton decision. That was the “he really has lost it” moment for me.
Chongo94
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This really says it, you have a potential 4-year starter apparently being pushed/outplayed by a redshirt freshman. Give the frosh the keys at this point.
Prince of Purpoole II
Reigning Smartarse
I think this is how I would begin the season anyway
tcudoc
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Like downward dog? I just don’t see that working.
Eight
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well of course not, after working with kaz they would be in the warrior pose
tcudoc
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Our QB’s position in the last couple of years has too often been “Happy Baby.”
