LVH
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Same, I've found myself taking BYU's side due to the Utah pride and arrogance.
Never thought I'd say that 15 years ago but here we are
Big 12 in position to poach Pac 12 schools?
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Never thought I'd say that 15 years ago but here we are
82 Frog Fever
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If Jason is correct, they could be throwing tomatoes at GK in the first 5 minutes.
GK is a dream weaver.
GK is a dream weaver.
Eight
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perfectly fine with adding ua, asu, and utah
solid basketball, one solid football in utah with potential for the others and we get to see byu and utah snipe at each other which is always enjoyable
82 Frog Fever
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I doubt it will be a problem, the B1G would be completely irresponsible at this point not to step in and take O & W at the very least.
There are at least 3 tier1 teams in those 6 teams, and quite possibly more, as all 6 are making good progress with their programs.
I don’t see the B1G letting that happen, it would still put us at a distance, but in their rear view mirror.
Gary's Shirtless Revenge
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The "incentives" he is referencing are likely the payment model that both Apple and Google/YouTube favor, wherein they agree to share performance revenue tied to subs should they hit X thresholds after costs are recovered.
So something like:
- Initial upfront payment of ~$50-100mm
- $200mm guaranteed fees annually
- Rev share model once subs hit X growing to X over time (which will likely be accompanied by a performance projection chart that goes up and to the right over time magically)
This kind of structure I'm sure will be his way to say "hey look at this I can make you so much more!" but it'll be entirely based on future theoretical performance, which is tough given how slow the MLS package has grown. They don't even have 1 million post-paid subs on the MLS package yet, and that's a pro sports league in ~29 markets with some international interest and draw.
I'd guess the lower incentive package will likely look like a smaller upfront payment, higher base ($25mm maybe), and incentives that only kick in at outstanding performance levels, almost like a windfall tax.
So something like:
- Initial upfront payment of ~$50-100mm
- $200mm guaranteed fees annually
- Rev share model once subs hit X growing to X over time (which will likely be accompanied by a performance projection chart that goes up and to the right over time magically)
This kind of structure I'm sure will be his way to say "hey look at this I can make you so much more!" but it'll be entirely based on future theoretical performance, which is tough given how slow the MLS package has grown. They don't even have 1 million post-paid subs on the MLS package yet, and that's a pro sports league in ~29 markets with some international interest and draw.
I'd guess the lower incentive package will likely look like a smaller upfront payment, higher base ($25mm maybe), and incentives that only kick in at outstanding performance levels, almost like a windfall tax.
An-Cap Frog
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Notre Dame is the Margot Robbie of football.
An-Cap Frog
Member
This is the first I have heard that the remaining four corner schools may act as a block. Is Thamel right about this? What happens with Oregon and Washington if that's the case? Does the Big12 decide to take a quantum leap and go to 18 teams?
From the article "Dennis Dodd reported the media will be presented to the remaining nine members at some point Tuesday. His reporting follows Pete Thamel’s reporting that Utah, Arizona and Arizona State are expected to act as a block. If one goes, expect all three to go."
PAC-12 Media Deal To Be Presented Tuesday - outkick
The PAC-12's media deal is expected to be presented by George Kliavkoff Tuesday. Will the conference fall apart? Will Arizona leave?www.outkick.com
Hoosierfrog
Tier 1
ND is more like Raquel Welch, used to be hot, still thinks she is.
82 Frog Fever
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It loses something when the wording is translated.
Controlling 14 markets with 13 teams, especially when 6 sit in Kansas, Iowa, & Ok., Waco, & Lubbock would pretty good though.
Fred Garvin
I service the entire Quad Cities Area
82 Frog Fever
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Big Frog II
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I believe she's dead.
tcudoc
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...and, cold. So, technically, Hoosier is correct.
StinnettFrog
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First time I ever wanted to play with a Barbie doll.
Limey Frog
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Kliavkoff got a miracle up his sleeve, or preemptive attempts by Pac 12 sources to shift blame to the Arizona schools for "not waiting long enough" if they leave and it all goes south? I mean, honestly, what is anyone going to say in that meeting except "great, George, let's talk again and we'll plan on finalizing this..."? Then you walk out and hit speed dial to your board of regents chairman. Somehow kliavkoff left the meeting a week last Thursday believing Colorado was still on board.
So far it has always been that the first news out of these meetings seems positive, but later reports pour water on those initial statements and the later ones prove true. I'm guessing that pattern continues, but you never know.
82 Frog Fever
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Barbie is hot. I believe you mean Margot Kidder, she‘s cold.
Related point to that- Would Fox/ESPN put O&W in the B1G with a much larger payout? Or would they rather spend $20-30M less per school by telling them to go to B12?
82 Frog Fever
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Yes, and it’s not even close, BYU & UCF were 1 & 2.
I think UH was 3rd and Cincy was 4th, but close.
Cincy losing Fickell puts them last for me.
