hiphopfroggy
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The 8 pac schools outside of Oregon and Washington team up with the Big12, while WVU goes ACC and Iowa St goes B1G. Seems to work pretty well to me.
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The 8 pac schools outside of Oregon and Washington team up with the Big12, while WVU goes ACC and Iowa St goes B1G. Seems to work pretty well to me.
cal and stanford aren't joining the big 12 as they barely can tolerate being in the same athletic conference with the two arizona schools.
no way they are joining a conference with texas tech and two private, christian based schools.
family on the west coast would prefer to go back to the days of the old pac 8, but i don't see that happening as that is just too small a conference to garner much interest from television.
the simplest move that ensures the stability of the conferences is expanding the the cfp from 4 schools to 8 (i know your stance on this wex) and guarantee a bid to each of the p5 conference champions.
problem is the conferences want nfl type money from the networks, but won't agree to an nfl type situation where decisions are made for the benefit of everyone instead of one group over others
I dont think the next decisions will be based on attempting to please everyone, and I dont think one can rely on playoff expansion. I think the next round will be based on trying to please UT and OU specifically, and on the Pac side USC and UCLA specifically. And ESPN and Fox.
Either way the pressure is on the Pac as they are going broke, and can't keep any of their coaches or recruits or audience. Their business model is imploding so they are going to have to do something drastic soon. They dont have the luxury of snobbery anymore, and my word they are already in a conference w/ Arizona St. Arizona St. If one can tolerate Arizona St one can tolorate anything.
Also, the Oklahoma and Kansas legislatures would not let big brother drop in-state little brother. Those four schools are tied at the hip. Iowa won't let Iowa State into the Big Ten. No way.
the simplest move that ensures the stability of the conferences is expanding the the cfp from 4 schools to 8 (i know your stance on this wex) and guarantee a bid to each of the p5 conference champions.
IMO, the bulk of the decisions regarding the next round of realignment won't be coming out of the Oregon, Washington or Iowa legislatures. There are numerous more central and powerful organizations that will be deep into negotiations before the aforementioned are even brought to the discussion.
problem is the conferences want nfl type money from the networks, but won't agree to an nfl type situation where decisions are made for the benefit of everyone instead of one group over others
problem is the conferences want nfl type money from the networks, but won't agree to an nfl type situation where decisions are made for the benefit of everyone instead of one group over others
"He who pays the piper calls the tune" said the poet, and ESPN will essentially call the shots in this. They are the ones who write the big checks. Yeah, FOX is in play a little, but they are a drop in the ESPN bucket.
Be careful what you wish for. However bad the individual Conference management may be, and bitter rivalries within those Conferences, I hold that it would be infinitely worse were ESPN to take over and dictate Conference alignment, scheduling, and membership. They are about to do just that, and we could very well be looking at the last years of College Football As We Knew It.
One other item too... There was a good article written by The Athletic right before this past football season. They interviewed the former long time Texas AD DeLoss Doods, a K-State graduate by the way.... What he said in there was a key I think for TCU's stability. He said he and his burnt orange contingent looked long and hard at the Pac 10, but ultimately decided against it because he did not think the long travel to play the Oregon States, the Washingtons, and the Washington States was fair to their student athletes and their studies. UT made a proportionate TV deal for themselves with their tier three TV rights and tried to minimize how much their student athletes had to travel.
I think Bowlsby needs to be proactive right now and chat with Chris Del Conte and the OU contingent. I would be cool with any of these schools....Arkansas, Colorado, Nebraska, Arizona, or Arizona State. All winnable games for TCU and all national brands.
If TCU football starts scoring points on offense again like 2014, then watch out....
i agree that money making the decisions has not been good and will not be good going forward for college football.
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ESPN wouldn't control anything if the conferences and schools weren't willing to sell that control to them. ESPN is trying to make money like any business out there, they are not the root of whatever "problems" are there are or whatever bad path we are going down. All the conferences would have to do is put their foot down and say this is what we're doing and this is how we're doing it, now how much do you want to pay to show our games on TV? Instead they are laser focused on the bottom line ($$) which drives almost every decision they make. How else can you explain how Rutgers ended up in the same league as Nebraska and West Virginia ended up in the same league as Texas Tech.
I didn't follow the business side of college sports back in the 80's and 90's but I never remember hearing anything about rights fees and each conference member's annual take. Nobody seemed to care, now it's front page news whenever a league announces how much money they make. What sports fan really cares about that?
i don't see arkansas leaving the sec or nebraska ever coming back to a conference with texas.
the arizonia schools however do make some sense as they have no historical tie to the pac, they actually have historical ties with tech and the old border conference days, the travel isn't a killer, the programs are strong in multiple sports, and it gives you the ability to recruit socal without dealing with the california schools.
It really started when Oklahoma A&M left the SWC.Tulane moved out of the SEC well before Arkansas moved in. How about that one?
One other item too... There was a good article written by The Athletic right before this past football season. They interviewed the former long time Texas AD DeLoss Doods, a K-State graduate by the way.... What he said in there was a key I think for TCU's stability. He said he and his burnt orange contingent looked long and hard at the Pac 10, but ultimately decided against it because he did not think the long travel to play the Oregon States, the Washingtons, and the Washington States was fair to their student athletes and their studies. UT made a proportionate TV deal for themselves with their tier three TV rights and tried to minimize how much their student athletes had to travel.
I think Bowlsby needs to be proactive right now and chat with Chris Del Conte and the OU contingent. I would be cool with any of these schools....Arkansas, Colorado, Nebraska, Arizona, or Arizona State. All winnable games for TCU and all national brands.
If TCU football starts scoring points on offense again like 2014, then watch out....