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Frog DJ said:
Agree with Punter - the penultimate...
Go Frogs!
Frog DJ said:
Agree with Punter - the penultimate...
Go Frogs!
CountryFrog said:He certainly deserves credit for what he did as coach, and he did a fantastic job. I don't think there's any way you can say that anything anyone did back in the 30's and 40's somehow set the tone for everything that's happened at TCU over the last 20 years.
I don't think the kids of today are motivated in any way by what happened 10 years ago, much less 80. Minnesota had a heck of a lot of championships back then but it's doing very little to help them now. Oregon has little to no history of success prior to 2000 but is now a top program. What today's players and coaches are accomplishing are their own accomplishments just like what guys like Baugh and Obrien did were their own accomplishments.SwissArmyFrog said:"I don't think there's any way you can say that anything anyone did back in the 30's and 40's somehow set the tone for everything that's happened at TCU over the last 20 years."
Disagree, to some extent. I think that the championships and great teams of the 30's & 40's (and 50's, as well) set both a high bar that many at TCU wanted to return to, and a knowledge and confidence that "it could/should happen again at TCU".
It seems (to me) that it is harder to attain the highest goals when there are few/no championships or winning tradition in your past.
There are other factors, naturally. But I think the above plays a not insignificant role in helping the right kind of mind-set to gel.
Swink was great for sure. No telling what he could've done in the NFL if he'd tried. Pro football wasn't as big of a deal back then as it is now.Leap Frog said:
I can say it because Dutch set the standard with two NC's-- we have been chasing it (and will most likely get it under G.P's leadership) ever since. Today is the best and the sky's the limit.
Not going to pick for the Rushmore-- have to leave too many greats off. But, any selection that leaves Swink off is overlooking the fact that he may be the only student-athlete to be two-time first team A.A, plus two-time academic A.A. Yes, the books count for something in college.
The history is a point of pride for alumni and a talking point for coaches and ADs but ultimately it's the kids on the field that do the winning and losing so they are the most important factor in my mind. I don't think guys like LT, Dalton, Boykin, or GP came to TCU because of anything Dutch Meyer did. I also don't think any of the money flowing into the program now is because of him. That was the whole premise I was originally arguing was that somehow Dutch Meyer specifically should be at least partially credited with everything that's happened at TCU since 1998.SwissArmyFrog said:I wasn't speaking of the kids of today. At all, really. Rather, a mind-set that permeates the program - coaches, alumni, etc... I think all of that trickles down to the kids and makes them proud to be part of a program.
And, I do think that there are some kids - maybe not a great deal - who are interested in the history of the school and its program, and are at least somewhat motivated, or at least, proud, of what went on before them, and look forward to being a part of it all.
CountryFrog said:The history is a point of pride for alumni and a talking point for coaches and ADs but ultimately it's the kids on the field that do the winning and losing so they are the most important factor in my mind. I don't think guys like LT, Dalton, Boykin, or GP came to TCU because of anything Dutch Meyer did. I also don't think any of the money flowing into the program now is because of him. That was the whole premise I was originally arguing was that somehow Dutch Meyer specifically should be at least partially credited with everything that's happened at TCU since 1998.
I didn't get a lot of what I'm saying from you. This all started because I was arguing someone else's point that somehow Dutch Meyer specifically should be given a certain amount of credit for things that have happened under GP. That's it. That's the point I don't agree with and what I've been arguing against. I honestly don't know what you and I are debating about.SwissArmyFrog said:
I would say it is the *coaching* of the kids on the field that does the winning and losing. I never said Dalton, et al, came to TCU because of what Meyer did - where on earth did you get that? But to say we are not standing, in part, on the shoulders of those who came before us, and that is meaningless...well, I disagree. You keep focusing on the individual kids who come to TCU. I'm focusing on the program as a whole. That includes the kids, but also includes MUCH that *affects* the kids.
All that aside, my original point was only that it is easier for a program that has had past GREAT, CONSISTENT success in the past to resurrect that success than it is for a team to get to that level when it has not had a winning/championship tradition in its past.
I think you mean Aaron ScobelWestTexasFrog said:Since 1998:
Coach Patterson
Tomlinson
Dalton
Bo Schobel
CountryFrog said:I didn't get a lot of what I'm saying from you. This all started because I was arguing someone else's point that somehow Dutch Meyer specifically should be given a certain amount of credit for things that have happened under GP. That's it. That's the point I don't agree with and what I've been arguing against. I honestly don't know what you and I are debating about.
Good old Mt. Rapemore.SwissArmyFrog said:Briles...Starr...Elliot...Ukwuachu...
Sorry.