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You can't trust the police regarding DUIs, they lie big time.

roddog

Banned
not blowing is a great idea....right up until they get a court order, draw blood, and discover heaven only knows what is in his blood.....i'm confident blowing was the smartest thing he may have done all night after getting pulled over....

never blow, never ever ever ever, blow, unless you have had absolutely nothing or are sure you can pass, and never even tell them you have had anything to drink, even if you have, never ever ever!
 

DelFrog

Active Member
I am saying, based on my own experience, that this is more likely a case of someone driving while perhaps over the limit and getting pulled over near campus in a late night sting operation. Not a reckless driving case as the cops and media would have you believe.

and other than your obviously biased opinion, just what evidence to you have to support such a claim???
 

frogbyproxy

New Member
and other than your obviously biased opinion, just what evidence to you have to support such a claim???

Not sure how he would know but two weeks ago I was at my sisters retirement party and talked to a retired officer and he stated he was on FW's DWI task force.
 

froginaustin

Active Member
not blowing is a great idea....right up until they get a court order, draw blood, and discover heaven only knows what is in his blood.....i'm confident blowing was the smartest thing he may have done all night after getting pulled over....

If someone is stumbling-down, sloppy drunk, with credible eye-witness testimony from a cop or even a bystander a conviction can be had without any blood alcohol test at all.

More and more police agencies will get court orders for blood tests if a really impaired driver won't blow.

There are enough inaccurate breath tests administered that I would be very, very hesitant to take one or to advise someone to take one.
 

maximilian

Active Member
not blowing is a great idea....right up until they get a court order, draw blood, and discover heaven only knows what is in his blood.....i'm confident blowing was the smartest thing he may have done all night after getting pulled over....

That doesn't mean anything. It isn't illegal to be high on anything, per se. The laws all involve possession.

You always refuse the breathalyzer. Don't give the cop an inch, because he will take a mile.
 

Zubaz

Member
First, I know that some places have "No refusal" laws, not sure if Fort Worth is one of them.

Second, if you don't blow, you are going back to the jail where they will draw blood and do quick and dirty calculations based on the time passed since they pulled you over. Either way they're going to get you.
 

maximilian

Active Member
First, I know that some places have "No refusal" laws, not sure if Fort Worth is one of them.

Second, if you don't blow, you are going back to the jail where they will draw blood and do quick and dirty calculations based on the time passed since they pulled you over. Either way they're going to get you.

And a halfway decent defense attorney can poke holes all through that.

If your license is suspended automatically and you spend a night in a cell, that's still preferable to getting a DUI on your record.
 

PhillyFrog

Active Member
I agree with you completely, but having said that I must warn that the Mansfield unit is not a happy place. Ambiance is spartan, the food lousy, service French and customers 47%-ish.



And a halfway decent defense attorney can poke holes all through that.

If your license is suspended automatically and you spend a night in a cell, that's still preferable to getting a DUI on your record.
 

roddog

Banned
I just call a cab. Sorry Mimi.

no need to be sorry, i have known her for almost 20 years and rather than have to try to defend you if you have had to much she would gladly you do that, she would even pay for the cab, but what she is good at is defending the average person who may not be guilty, her slogan is drink/drive, go to jail, well as she says that is just plain bs, you can drink and drive as long as your not over the legal limit!
 

Frog DJ

Active Member
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with RodDog - maybe for the first time...ever!

DUI lawyers will tell you, "Never blow." Not because you can get away with it that way, but because breathalyzers are notoriously inaccurate, and it can easily and incorrectly certify you're drunk, even if you're not over the limit.

Of course, refusing to blow creates a whole new set of problems, but a good DUI lawyer would advise you to postpone any testing as long as possible. It gives him more ammunition to refute their claims in court.

The only reason I'm offering this is I used to deliver live endorsement radio ads for a DUI lawyer, and this is what he told me. I've never been pulled over for DUI - not that I didn't deserve it.

In fact, I seriously doubt anybody who drinks hasn't gotten away with it at least once - probably many times! There but for the grace of God...

One good story: A recovering alcoholic who had been in AA for many years was pulled over, and the cop asked him, "Have you been drinking, tonight?" The man replied, "Tonight? No sir." The officer - convinced he was trying to dance around the issue said, "Okay, how long has it been since you had your last drink?" The man looked at his watch and responded, "Uh - 12 years, 7 months, 22 days, 13 hours, 44 minutes and 18, 19, 20 seconds."

The cop laughed so hard he just handed his license back to him and walked away.

Go Frogs!
 

BleedNPurple

Active Member
Just curious but the units used in breathalyzer tests are electronic so do they have to be calibrated? I'm no wizard but have learned to distrust anything that needs calibration. Perfect example is at your doctors office with blood pressure cuffs. The new digital's are worthless unless they are calibrated.
Also there are several things that can cause a false reading with one being acetone but when it's high enough to show a high reading it's because you're diabetic. Had a friend that blew and was arrested and nearly died while in transport. No he didn't sue but sure didn't like the ride.

Let's put it this way, the Intxoilyzer 5000 is not anything accurate enough that a doctor would use it for anything. It uses radio isotopes picked off the tongue which is not an accurate test of BAC. Many people have won cases against the machine calling accuracy into question - double the limit may not work but he is still not proven guilty.

Cops do lie - that statement is true and Judges know that. They are also very good at intimidating people and have a nack for getting people to entrap themselves. Being pulled over for swerving may have been an excuse for stopping Casey - no idea. In this case the cops may have done him and the rest of us a favor. He needs an excellent DWI attorney - it is a specialty and there are some great ones. I tell people to go with the attorney who tells you they will win your case. Most attorneys dealing with DWI are not specialists and they sell the client out and plead guilty in which the state and the attorney collect their fees and leave their client at the mercy of the judge. Jury trial is the only way to win one of these.
 
Most attorneys dealing with DWI are not specialists and they sell the client out and plead guilty in which the state and the attorney collect their fees and leave their client at the mercy of the judge.

You know attorneys cannot enter a plea for their clients, right? You darn [want a stronger expletive here] sure don't know what "most" attorneys do.
 

shenanigans

Active Member
no need to be sorry, i have known her for almost 20 years and rather than have to try to defend you if you have had to much she would gladly you do that, she would even pay for the cab, but what she is good at is defending the average person who may not be guilty, her slogan is drink/drive, go to jail, well as she says that is just plain bs, you can drink and drive as long as your not over the legal limit!

Despite you getting on my nerves most of the time, this is 100% accurate and very valid.
 

frogbyproxy

New Member
Let's put it this way, the Intxoilyzer 5000 is not anything accurate enough that a doctor would use it for anything. It uses radio isotopes picked off the tongue which is not an accurate test of BAC. Many people have won cases against the machine calling accuracy into question - double the limit may not work but he is still not proven guilty.

Cops do lie - that statement is true and Judges know that. They are also very good at intimidating people and have a nack for getting people to entrap themselves. Being pulled over for swerving may have been an excuse for stopping Casey - no idea. In this case the cops may have done him and the rest of us a favor. He needs an excellent DWI attorney - it is a specialty and there are some great ones. I tell people to go with the attorney who tells you they will win your case. Most attorneys dealing with DWI are not specialists and they sell the client out and plead guilty in which the state and the attorney collect their fees and leave their client at the mercy of the judge. Jury trial is the only way to win one of these.

Anything like this happening in Texas yet? :tongue:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/03/05/sfpd-breathalyzer-error-puts-hundreds-of-dui-convictions-in-doubt/

SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) – Hundreds, or even thousands, of drunk driving convictions could be overturned because the San Francisco Police Department has not tested its breathalyzers, officials said Monday.
For at least six years, the police officers in charge of testing the 20 breathalizyers used by the Police Department did not carry out any tests on the equipment
 

RufeBruton

Active Member
Read today (USA Today) that President US Grant was pulled over for speeding in Georgetown. Apparently, in a buggy. The police weren't certain if they had the authority to arrest a President, so they fined him on the spot and made him walk back to the White House. Given Grant's reputation for alcohol, it is certainly fortunate that breathalyzers weren't yet invented.
 
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