Will Josh stay or take the $ this time around?
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He’s at .67 at TCU. 19-30 at Cal does drag down his overall record and that includes 1-11 his first year there.
FrogBall09
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agreed - we were not terrible on offense, just really average for a P5 team which is what the numbers show. And really the same on Defense - had some great games, some terrible games and inside both great and terrible series resulting in an average overall result. Put a couple of 30's and 40's ranked along a bottom of the list Special Teams and you end up with a middle of the pack performance - which is exactly what we were this year - AVERAGE....
But man some people are working hard to act like 1) that is actually better than it is and should be good enough and/or 2) we should not expect or try for anything more.
Limey Frog
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Yep. I don't know if its a schtick or what; maybe they're deep cover SMU trolls or something. We have an above average Big XII football budget, and on paper we get above average Big XII recruiting classes every year. We pay our coach above the Big XII average, and he himself says the goal is to compete for conference titles. When we don't, that isn't good enough, even if our season is not terrible. That doesn't seem too complicated to understand, does it?
I don't know where you get this. It is what it is, 8-4. Not that great, certainly not what was hoped for, and exactly nobody is claiming that it's good enough, or that we shouldn't try for better.
FrogBall09
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its actually the worst thing - as I have said before, it becomes easy to accept this level of mediocrity. We won twice as much as we lost, we showed some success at the end of season giving hope for next year, we were just in the NC " a few years ago", there is no easy answer for a coach that would "guarantee" a better result, we don't have a ton of money in the mattress....this year can seem pretty good given we could have been 6-6 we had allowed the suck to take over, so just why bother to go through a lot of effort to force a change?
However, in reality it means we are middle of the pack (7th - 10th) in a much weaker B12 than has ever existed before and we are burning daylight because this is a time when it is easier than ever to make the playoffs - plus we have a coach that has demonstrated this behavior greatness year 1 followed by a slow slide to irrelevance consistently through his career....
Dutch
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I agree. I want Josh to be my QB in ‘26. I hope Josh wants to be my QB in ‘26.
Limey Frog
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I get your point, but I'd rather be 8-4 than 6-6. That said, college football is going to undergo a major reshuffle in about 2030 and anyone left out of The Club at that point is probably out forever. As I've said before, if all the current Big XII and half of the ACC were left out I wouldn't care--playing in what would functionally be D2 with Baylor, Tech, SMU, BYU, Utah, Pitt, Georgia Tech, etc. would be just fine. I think that would be pretty fun and Ohio State and Bama can go to h3!! without us. But if Tech and a bunch of others are in while we get left out playing Memphis and Tulane that would suck so much. The best thing we can do to give ourselves a shot of inclusion is make the playoff and win games. From that perspective, there is no difference between 6-6 and 8-4 at all.
Consistently? Like "once"?
La Tech - 5-7 his first year, followed by 8-5, 9-3
Cal - 1-11 his first year, followed by 5-7, 8-5
SMU - 5-7 his first year, followed by 10-3, 7-3
Where do you come up with this crap?
FrogBall09
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sorry should have said greatness 1 year not year 1 - but thanks for pointing out that he has really just been mediocre all the time except for 1 year period, not at each stop
I can't believe we hired a guy with that overall record - so embarrassing
At La Tech, Cal and SMU.
It really is personal with you, isn't it? You really think it's embarrassing that we hired him? Would you have preferred Napier? If not him, who? Extend Gary?
Fosterpark Squatter
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If he stays then he's a committed young man of great character.
If he leaves then he's a certified furry.
If he leaves then he's a certified furry.
FrogBall09
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we hired a guy who had 1 double digit win EVER in his coaching career - that is embarrassing.
Should have taken a flyer at a nobody than hire proven mediocrity.
We hired him because he embarrassed us by leading SMU to beat us finally - that is it.
Well that and the fact that ADJD liked how much it bugged GP....
ADJD really gets to you too, doesn't he. You think he liked seeing us get beat by SMU? Why would he have liked that? And if it bugged GP so much, the easy answer is he could've done something about it.
And to think, after all the terrible things ADJD did, he got a promotion.
I'm curious, do GP and SD have a cordial relationship? And if not, why not?
I prefer Hoover stay. However here is the portal additions that will make up for it if he leaves.
QB Taron Dickens Western Carolina 5' 11" 180 but a passing/throwing giant
RB Jerrick Gibson U of texas 5' 10" 210 who is buried behind all of the 4 stars
OG Tellek Lockette OG Texas State 6'3" 327 conference bulldozer
OT Ben Murawski UCONN 6'7" 335 a key in UCONN resurgence
Lets persuade Lucas Niang to go talk to the Connecticut native today why TCU is the place to go.
Balansama Kamara DE/LB UAlbany 6'3" 255
O'marrion Brown DT Wofford 6' 3" 305
Khamani Brown LB Elon 6'220
Lamott Lester LB Monmouth 6'2" 230
Massai King OL 6' 4" 310 Akron
Nicholas Kruji OL 6'4" 305
Mason Purham OLB /edge 6'5" 256
I have watched about 2 hours of these guys highlights and the film confirms. Tape usually does not lie.
Here are 11 guys TCU Staff, be on them today. Be on them tomorrow. The window opens in a few weeks work it. Khamani Brown from Elon is a gamewrecker, but will the TCU staff recognize??
We run an RPO based offense in which the QB is not a real threat to punish an opponent by running. Against good opponents, you can go back and watch the read defender crash hard on the RBs. That's why our running game disappears in big games. Good defenses don't even pretend to read the RPO, they just go hard for the RB.
This offense is capable of top 10 output, but it requires a real running threat at QB. Hoover ain't that guy. Good QB. Not the right fit for this offense. He honestly should take money and go to a pro-style system to get himself ready for a shot at the NFL.
This offense is capable of top 10 output, but it requires a real running threat at QB. Hoover ain't that guy. Good QB. Not the right fit for this offense. He honestly should take money and go to a pro-style system to get himself ready for a shot at the NFL.
Sangria Wine
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It may cost about $25 million to keep Hoover. Not to pay him, but to buy a dominant offensive line to convince him the road to the NFL runs through Funky Town. Maybe Lane Kiffin comes calling his name this offseason…
3am Club
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Speaking of which I'm bummed we never even saw Schobel run the offense
Fosterpark Squatter
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Patience, though I know that isn't valued much in today's CFB landscape.
