4 Oaks Frog
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He stays…
Will Josh stay or take the $ this time around?
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BleedNPurple
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Would help if Josh could run for an additional 50 plus yards a game. I couldn’t tell that Arch had any speed at all until they cut him loose against A$M last Saturday. Max and AD were good runners and they won games with their running for us- that’s what’s really missing in this offense IMHO.
Paint It Purple
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I hope he stays. Duggan and Dalton's finest play was their senior year.
PS: In yesteryears, can you ever imagine transferring for your senior year of college? Friends, people, places, life-shaping experiences. Walk away to some strange new place. I guess if treated as a business decision it's like that first job.
PS: In yesteryears, can you ever imagine transferring for your senior year of college? Friends, people, places, life-shaping experiences. Walk away to some strange new place. I guess if treated as a business decision it's like that first job.
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This Ain't Chopped Liver
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Hoover redshirted his first year and next season is year #5 so his senior classmates will be gone. I guess he too will have graduated, but I don’t know. But yes, like Duggan and Dalton I expect his play next year will be more elevated and hopefully it is as a Frog.
Hoover threw 7 of those after he hurt his thumb at WV. Dak Prescott missed 6 weeks with a similar injury and surgery a few years ago. He probably shouldn’t have been playing for a month, but he’s a team guy and we thought we didn’t have a better option.
TxFrog1999
The Man Behind The Curtain
When it comes to offensive issues Hoover's decision making isn't our biggest problem. We have serious issues with the line and play calling that need to be addressed before I'm willing to blame the QB. Hoover is a gunslinger and when he's behind or pressured constantly he's prone to make bad decisions. If he had a solid line not only do I think we're easily 10-2 or 11-1, but he's probably in the Heisman discussion. As far as play calling, not stretching the field and opting for tunnel screens and short slants on 3rd and long, and a lack of adapting to the game situation, have been a frustrating—and dogmatic—aspect of Briles' game plan for the last couple of years. If we can address both of these issues then this team would be competing for a spot in Arlington and the CFP next season, with Hoover under center.
BrewingFrog
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I believe that in his first year the Crack Staff put a leash on him and forbade him to take off. If you remember, he had about a 50 yard scamper against BYU in his first game as a starter. He knew what to do, once, but like so many other things, it was taken from him, and now that skill has atrophied.
If he stays, and I truly hope he does, his QB Whisperer (Not his QB Coach) needs to re-learn him the basics of scampering, and of properly protecting the ball when doing so.
BrewingFrog
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This.
I didn't see much issue with the play calling overall. I mean, sometimes plays just don't work for whatever reason and it looks like a crappy play call. But I NEVER hear, after a tunnel screen that goes for 15 yards, or a 3rd down completion on a slant, man those were bad calls. When at times you're getting no push up front and the pass protection is struggling and you have a mistake prone QB who doesn't respond to pressure all that well, calling the right plays, (and especially stretching the field) isn't easy. I'll watch some sort of trick play that ends up working in a game on TV and it's almost always followed by the announcers talking about what a great play call it was, and I'm sure their fans on message boards are saying the same thing. And I'll be thinking, damn, if Briles had called something like that and it got blown up.......
Given the "serious issues" we have with the line play, I think we moved the ball pretty well for the most part this year.
Frog Attack II
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Good post TXFrog1999, but his decision-making must improve with leads too. It's not just when he is pressured. Again, those Int's against Houston killed all of our momentum. The pressure was minimal on all 3 plays - nothing crazy. The sack fumble against ASU was horrible as well. The int in the end zone at the start of the 2H kept us from extending the lead. We were up against Tech his 1st year and threw a pic deep in our territory which cost us the game. I know that was his first year but I keep seeing the same decisions being made as he gets older.
I agree with your play calling assessment, and I love it when he slings that ball, but maybe another part of the issue with the OC is his trustworthiness with the ball. I remember AD used to throw it in the stands regularly. I hardly ever remember Hoov doing that. Love the kid... But I think it's the whole thing. We need someone that can sling it, run, manage the game, protect the ball, and just get a needed first down when you need one.
I agree with your play calling assessment, and I love it when he slings that ball, but maybe another part of the issue with the OC is his trustworthiness with the ball. I remember AD used to throw it in the stands regularly. I hardly ever remember Hoov doing that. Love the kid... But I think it's the whole thing. We need someone that can sling it, run, manage the game, protect the ball, and just get a needed first down when you need one.
Traveling Frog
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Not having a running QB Limits an offense that does not have one starting caliber OL or a starting caliber RB. Without going to the portal to completely revamp the entire OL and getting a starting RB, Hoover would be better somewhere else. If TCU can Revamp the whole OL and a good RB and Hoover will be great to stay.
Mean Purple
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yup. the oline played way better the last two games. world of difference.
however, some of Hoov's decision issues are 100% on him. He needs another year to develop. If he can improve, he likely goes to the NFL. That's how defined the marker is for him right now.
3am Club
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Just to piggyback on this he has had some very good receivers that have bailed him out and made small plays into huge ones. Don't get me wrong those same receivers have had inexplicable drops and bad bounces that didn't help their QB. But McAllister is gone and he is significantly better then the rest of that WR room. Hoover will have to make significantly better decisions without any top tier talent to bail him out.
Also I think Hoover just isn't a good ad-lib guy and a below average runner. We shouldn't force him to be something he isn't. Focus on getting rid of the ball safely and tuck and get down when necessary. No team takes him seriously as a run option nor should they. He is a turnover waiting to happen in broken and running plays.
Yep. With guys like Boykin and Duggan you almost wanted the play to break down. With Hoover every time he leaves the pocket it's like oh [ Finebaum ]....
Dutch
T C U Froooogs
Also we were near the top in shooting our toes off. I was agreeing with you mostly until the last sentence and I don’t know the guy!
Frozen Frog
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We played behind the sticks far too often! That isn’t a recipe for success. We were undisciplined in all phases. That has to be resolved first.
Chongo94
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Is that for real??….for his entire career or just here at TCU? If that is over his entire career, yeesh
Limey Frog
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If I were him this would be my question: what's your plan to keep me upright, because I can't get into the NFL on my back. If you don't have a plan, my phone is lighting up with calls from people who do.
It's kind of understandable when you consider he's coached at La Tech, Cal and SMU prior to here.
Cal has finished the year ranked 4 times in the last 34 years, and two of those were at #25. Prior to Dykes arrival at SMU, they hadn't finished a season ranked in 35 years, SD was the first 10-game winner there since 1984. Not sure how many times La Tech ended up ranked, but I'd guess not many.
