Why the Big Twelve is happy with 10 - Dennis Dodd
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KillerFrog InD KitchenSink
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“I would be laughing,” said a source who has worked closely with the Big 12. “They're in great shape. If the TV deal was lousy, if in two or three years their network deal was coming up [then I could see it]. But right now, the Big 12 has hit the lottery. They've got it perfect. Those guys have it on Easy Street.”
Portland Frog
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Does this all depend upon the context of whether or not the Big 12 has hit "Easy Street?"
Yes, maybe they have hit easy street in reference to conference TV deals and bowl tie-in revenue.
Maybe not in reference to getting more teams into the upcoming playoff structure (independent of TV contracts) and having more teams consistently ranked higher in the polls.
Yes, maybe they have hit easy street in reference to conference TV deals and bowl tie-in revenue.
Maybe not in reference to getting more teams into the upcoming playoff structure (independent of TV contracts) and having more teams consistently ranked higher in the polls.
macaroni
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That's the first I've heard of any gentlemen's agreement that the Big 12 wouldn't expand into states where the SEC is already present. That really screws FSU and Clemson, if actually true.
I agree that there is no truth to the assumption that bigger automatically means stronger. The ACC was the first conference to go to 14, but loading up on Big East teams just makes you look like the Big East. I understand the fear that if the 4 X 16 model comes to fruition then there would be no good teams left to get us to 16, but that's not a reason to make poor business decisions right now. If the teams we want come available then we will expand, if they don't then that means there are still five conferences in play. Either way, we are fine with the GOR and SEC bowl partnership.
I agree that there is no truth to the assumption that bigger automatically means stronger. The ACC was the first conference to go to 14, but loading up on Big East teams just makes you look like the Big East. I understand the fear that if the 4 X 16 model comes to fruition then there would be no good teams left to get us to 16, but that's not a reason to make poor business decisions right now. If the teams we want come available then we will expand, if they don't then that means there are still five conferences in play. Either way, we are fine with the GOR and SEC bowl partnership.
Boomhauer
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I think they are referring to the SEC's gentleman agreement not to expand into states where they already have a presence. Not the Big 12.
Limey Frog
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A round robin schedule in a league nine-tenths of whose members are committed to football success, have the resources to compete, and can recruit Texas is not a good recipe for national championships. The fewer of our league's big games that have national implications, the lower our TV ratings will be outside of the southwest. Five more years of this and our national brand will be as a parochial league whose games can be fun to watch and whose teams beat each other up but never play for a national title. That won't turn on many TV sets beyond the Lone Star state.
Sound at all like the league we were in until 1995?
Sound at all like the league we were in until 1995?
KillerFrog InD KitchenSink
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I don't think there is a gentleman's agreement between the SEC and Big 12, it is between the SEC and ACC (or more specifically, within the SEC so that Florida, Georgia and South Carolina don't have SEC competition in their states.
froginaustin
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This is the first I've read about this sort of gentlemen's agreement. If it is in place, what is A&M doing in the SEC?
I think Dodd has garbled at least this part of his story. The "gentlemen's agreement" that I have read about is among the SEC schools, and involves a veto by an SEC member of another prospective member within the same state. Hence-- Kentucky blackballs Louisville; USCe blackballs Clemson; UF blackballs FSU or Miami; Georgia blackballs GTech; all for SEC membership not B12 or Big10 membership.
KillerFrog InD KitchenSink
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There were other factors that led to a dearth of national titles at the end of the SWC.
BelushiBob
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I remember hearing about it when the TCU/SEC rumor was around. That the SEC and B12 had an agreement about TCU.
"There's your opportunity -- as Bowlsby put it -- that moves the needle. Expansion in the form of a bowl game split between the Big 12 and SEC."
--anyway, this strategy only works if you can beat the SEC in that game.
rifram09
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Good, albeit ominous, points. In 13 years, the B12s reputation may or may not be what it is today. With that said, I bet a team is able to run the B12 gauntlet unscathed every 3-5 years, and I bet we generally have at least a 1-loss team make the playoffs each year. I realize this year we wouldn't have a team, but we didn't have a clear favorite coming into this year anyways. Maybe next year either us or OSU can run the table.
Cougar/Frog
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No league can survive being this deep and maintain the necessary stature to make the money.
If the B12 champ misses the playoff, this dream world is over.
Sure, Tech solely continue its slide back to obscurity and BU will likely suck once Briles takes one of the open SEC jobs and K St will die once the old man leaves again and sure Iowa St will fall back once it loses it's coach as well. And if Mack stays around at Texas, the Horns well be an also ran.
Long term, the B12 could turn into a 3 team race with OU, OSU, and TCU on the top tier (plus Texas once Brown gives up power), but that still is a recipe for a lot of 10-2 teams.
I read somewhere recently that Fox would give + $4mil per team to the B12 if it added FSU and went to 12. That means FSU and a CCG combine to add about $90mil per year to the B12. That is real money and worth an expansion.
If the B12 champ misses the playoff, this dream world is over.
Sure, Tech solely continue its slide back to obscurity and BU will likely suck once Briles takes one of the open SEC jobs and K St will die once the old man leaves again and sure Iowa St will fall back once it loses it's coach as well. And if Mack stays around at Texas, the Horns well be an also ran.
Long term, the B12 could turn into a 3 team race with OU, OSU, and TCU on the top tier (plus Texas once Brown gives up power), but that still is a recipe for a lot of 10-2 teams.
I read somewhere recently that Fox would give + $4mil per team to the B12 if it added FSU and went to 12. That means FSU and a CCG combine to add about $90mil per year to the B12. That is real money and worth an expansion.
Ron Swanson
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The gentleman's agreement is with the SEC and their own schools....
South Carolina doesn't want Clemson, so Clemson isn't getting invited
Florida doesn't want FSU, so FSU isn't getting invited
South Carolina doesn't want Clemson, so Clemson isn't getting invited
Florida doesn't want FSU, so FSU isn't getting invited
BelushiBob
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Bolwsby sounds like another Beebe. Thats not good gentlemen.
West Coast Johnny
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Gee we really did hit the jack pot by joinig this conference.
FeistyFrog
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And the SEC agreed not to expand into B12 states.....
Big Frog II
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Playing a 9 game conference schedule will not help the big 12 get 1 or more teams in the 4 team playoff. We will continue to eat our own while the SEC continues to send mutiple teams to the new playoff. I do not get why the Big 12 brass cannot figure this out.
