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Who wins a Natty First

Who wins a natty first?

  • WBB

  • MBB

  • Football

  • Volleyball

  • Soccer

  • Baseball


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AroundWorldFrog

Full Member
Who wins a natty first among our sports teams? After their run last year and as long as we keep Mark Campbell, I firmly believe it's WBB. We have a great coach and perhaps some donors willing to open their wallets (or pocketbooks) for WBB. In the current landscape of college sports, I don't believe football will ever be able to compete with the schools literally throwing money at players. 2022 may have been our last, best opportunity with a senior led, NFL rich roster.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
Who wins a natty first among our sports teams? After their run last year and as long as we keep Mark Campbell, I firmly believe it's WBB. We have a great coach and perhaps some donors willing to open their wallets (or pocketbooks) for WBB. In the current landscape of college sports, I don't believe football will ever be able to compete with the schools literally throwing money at players. 2022 may have been our last, best opportunity with a senior led, NFL rich roster.
Between FB, M/WBB and Baseball, I'd say in order of probability......Baseball, WBB, MBB, and then football.

It's hard for me to get too excited about WBB though, the way it's been over-promoted and rammed down our throats by ESPN (and others) is a joke.
 

Morado Muerte

Active Member
Between FB, M/WBB and Baseball, I'd say in order of probability......Baseball, WBB, MBB, and then football.

It's hard for me to get too excited about WBB though, the way it's been over-promoted and rammed down our throats by ESPN (and others) is a joke.
You're right about that! I'm more for the under-promoted sports like college football, MBB, MLB etc. Everyone knows that the degree of promotion is inverse to the degree of desire to watch. ESPN has ruined WBB.
 

AroundWorldFrog

Full Member
Between FB, M/WBB and Baseball, I'd say in order of probability......Baseball, WBB, MBB, and then football.

It's hard for me to get too excited about WBB though, the way it's been over-promoted and rammed down our throats by ESPN (and others) is a joke.
Added baseball although I think it's pretty far down the list.
 

JogginFrog

Active Member
I voted soccer, because my perception is that the difference between the top teams and TCU's current level is the smallest. That's also because I suspect it's the lowest revenue producer.

I'd say WBB edges volleyball for next-most-likely. The coaches in both sports have made TCU nationally relevant at an astounding pace. Campbell offers something that coaches at other top schools don't--genuine niceness--plus a pro-ready system. That's a differentiator that could get TCU to the top when all the other top coaches seem to major in anger. TCU still has to prove an ability to put 7,000 people in a gym, every home game, every year, to demonstrate legitimacy to top recruits. It's possible.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
You're right about that! I'm more for the under-promoted sports like college football, MBB, MLB etc. Everyone knows that the degree of promotion is inverse to the degree of desire to watch. ESPN has ruined WBB.
There will be a relatively big event that the sports world is pretty well tuned in to that's probably drawing 10-15M+ TV eyeballs, and you'll pull up the ESPN app to see what the score is, and the headline story will be the score in some random WNBA game. They are trying so hard it's embarrassing.

And I'd be shocked if it sticks, because honestly the product is pretty terrible. No matter how hard they try and convince people otherwise, basketball is not a sport that shows really well with women playing it. It just isn't.
 
There will be a relatively big event that the sports world is pretty well tuned in to that's probably drawing 10-15M+ TV eyeballs, and you'll pull up the ESPN app to see what the score is, and the headline story will be the score in some random WNBA game. They are trying so hard it's embarrassing.

And I'd be shocked if it sticks, because honestly the product is pretty terrible. No matter how hard they try and convince people otherwise, basketball is not a sport that shows really well with women playing it. It just isn't.
Our legendary alum Dan Jenkins would have fought you over this. He claimed that women's college basketball is a much purer form of the sport in the years before he died. I doubt the game has changed much since then.

I don't watch it much, but when I have, I've noticed that there truly is an emphasis on actual shooting, passing and orchestrated plays, in contrast to the NBA where it's basically a streetball free-for-all.

I heard Jalen Rose talk about this several years ago on his show. He said basketball used to be played with your back to the basket. Now, at least in the men's game, it's played facing the basket. I think the women still play more with their backs to the basket as it was played for nearly a century.

Now the WNBA is a different story altogether. What a mess of divas that is.
 
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Wexahu

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Our legendary alum Dan Jenkins would have fought you over this. He claimed that women's college basketball is a much purer form of the sport in the years before he died. I doubt the game has changed much since then.

I don't watch it much, but when I have, I've noticed that there truly is an emphasis on actual shooting, passing and orchestrated plays, in contrast to the NBA where it's basically a streetball free-for-all.

I heard Jalen Rose talk about this several years ago on his show. He said basketball used to be played with your back to the basket. Now, at least in the men's game, it's played facing the basket. I think the women still play more with their backs to the basket as it was played for nearly a century.
Dan Jenkins was a great writer, but he had a most serious case of good ole days syndrome (especially as it related to golf, lol).

The style of play, yeah, I agree that they emphasize passing and movement more than the men. They just aren't very good at it. And all they'd have to do for men to start playing that way is take away the 3-point line, but as it is men have become so good at shooting 3's that it makes most mid-range shots not make sense from an analytics standpoint. So the pick and rolls and kick-out passes for 3's is the most efficient way to play offense.

Honestly, I don't enjoy the men's game all that much anymore for those reasons, but watching women is like watching a high school boys game in slow motion.
 

Frog45

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I have mentioned on here a few times that I am a HS WBB coach, so I will say WBB is the clear #1 choice.

To me it boils down to having five players on the court at a time. It's the sport where you need the least to have the quickest impact. As demonstrated last year, 1-2 players can have the most impact in success. They were 34-4 and two wins from the national championship game last year after going 8-23 two season prior.

And while the talent gap disparity is shrinking in WBB, the haves vs. have not gap in WBB is still a canyon compared to MBB.
 

JogginFrog

Active Member
The quality of women's sports across the board has improved--a lot--over the past two decades. That's because there's been a lot of room for improvement. And there still is. The faster the game, the more glaring the difference between the men and women--and basketball is a faster game than most. I agree with Wex that college WBB is mostly hard to watch. The lack of ball skills, the lack of anticipation, the inability to score in traffic--yuk.

Teams like WVU and Tennessee are all in on pressure defense because good ball handling and passing is in such short supply. You can win 75% of games harrying opponents who lack skill. And you don't need a lot of talent to pull it off.

I think TCU will be easier to watch this season because Miles has vision and anticipation that is standard in the men's game. Just hoping someone can bury the 3s.

I've said before that the room for improvement, combined with rising standards, is an argument in favor of promoting women's sports to reluctant audiences. It works in the long term. The more eyeballs, the more people aspire and prepare to play at high levels. Standards push higher. Eventually it will make for better watching, and the W will come to support itself. I'll be happy for it. Doesn't mean I will watch it.

There's much more in the media to complain about than game-growing efforts. Watch what you want.
 
Dan Jenkins was a great writer, but he had a most serious case of good ole days syndrome (especially as it related to golf, lol).

The style of play, yeah, I agree that they emphasize passing and movement more than the men. They just aren't very good at it. And all they'd have to do for men to start playing that way is take away the 3-point line, but as it is men have become so good at shooting 3's that it makes most mid-range shots not make sense from an analytics standpoint. So the pick and rolls and kick-out passes for 3's is the most efficient way to play offense.

Honestly, I don't enjoy the men's game all that much anymore for those reasons, but watching women is like watching a high school boys game in slow motion.
Maybe it's just my ADD as I get older, but I usually just watch the last 8 or 10 minutes of any men's college basketball game. It seems like everything that happens prior to that doesn't really matter.
 

Dr. Coach Haus

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Wexahu

Full Member
Maybe it's just my ADD as I get older, but I usually just watch the last 8 or 10 minutes of any men's college basketball game. It seems like everything that happens prior to that doesn't really matter.
I'm the same way. Honestly, compared to how it was 20-30 years ago, it seems like the results of games hardly matter anymore as far as having any lasting impact. I could tell you who won the NCAA basketball championship from 1975 to about 2000. And while I'm typing this, I can't even remember who won it last year, much less four or five years ago. Seems like it's just not that big a deal anymore. Who is getting paid, where they are transferring to, coach hirings/firings/buyouts, social media controversies, who said what on X, conference affiliations, etc seem to be more important. The soap opera aspect to it.

That's not just in college basketball, that's throughout sports. I can't imagine a 30-year old today who could rattle off all the MBB/Super Bowl/World Series winners of the last 25 years like I could at that age. Granted, I was a huge sports junkie, but still.
 

Chieves

Active Member
The big problem with WBB is that it may be the most stratified with regards to being a significant power and a team having a good run. Maybe that is changing as the sport grows (and despite the griping here, it IS growing nationally and internationally), but I think there's a very real ceiling for WBB to even make a F4 run.
 
Who wins a natty first among our sports teams? After their run last year and as long as we keep Mark Campbell, I firmly believe it's WBB. We have a great coach and perhaps some donors willing to open their wallets (or pocketbooks) for WBB. In the current landscape of college sports, I don't believe football will ever be able to compete with the schools literally throwing money at players. 2022 may have been our last, best opportunity with a senior led, NFL rich roster.
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