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What are Republicans doing these days?

LVH

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JD Vance was the only America First candidate in the Ohio Senate race. Ohio is probably the MOST America-First state in the country in terms of its voter base.
 

vicarfrog

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vicarfrog

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Which he did on Twitter. He told people to go home, that he knew they were upset, but to go home and be at peace. From there, Twitter took the video down.

For me, I don't really care whether it was an insurrection or not. If it was, then it was horribly planned and highlighted how weak we actually are. Think if this "insurrection" happened in the 1820's/30's, Davey Crockett would have simply produced his pistol and "shot" one of them. What do our politicians do? Fall on their knees panic strickened with "bubble" helmets over their heads.

Now think if this was the special commandos that drug cartels have.

For me, I'm thankful it happened because it exposed glaring weakness. Not in the infrastructure of our capitol building, but in the weakness of our soft-handed and weak-hearted politicians.
 

LVH

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The other thing that shoots the argument down is what's happening in PA. Trump endorsed Oz, but the momentum is behind Kathy Barnette. To me, that signals the movement is getting "past" him. Not in a bad way, but that it's here to stay even if Trump were to disappear.
I think Kathy Barnette is running out of steam unfortunately
 

What Up Toad

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The other thing that shoots the argument down is what's happening in PA. Trump endorsed Oz, but the momentum is behind Kathy Barnette. To me, that signals the movement is getting "past" him. Not in a bad way, but that it's here to stay even if Trump were to disappear.

The counter argument is that Dr. Oz wouldn't have been even remotely viable if Trump hadn't endorsed him.

He's an Ivy-league educated Muslim Turk who has been accused of illegally operating as a foreign agent. He also was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage until he announced he was running for Senate. Anyone who has done even cursory research would see that it's painfully obvious he's changing his public positions so that he can get elected.

If your goal as a MAGA voter is to elect a "true American Christian patriot," Dr. Oz should be one of your last choices, yet he's leading most polls.
 

vicarfrog

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The counter argument is that Dr. Oz wouldn't have been even remotely viable if Trump hadn't endorsed him.

He's an Ivy-league educated Muslim Turk who has been accused of illegally operating as a foreign agent. He also was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage until he announced he was running for Senate. Anyone who has done even cursory research would see that it's painfully obvious he's changing his public positions so that he can get elected.

If your goal as a MAGA voter is to elect a "true American Christian patriot," Dr. Oz should be one of your last choices, yet he's leading most polls.

Totally agree. If I lived in PA, I'd be going for Barnette first. For everything that I respect about Trump, I still think at the end of the day he has too much establishment in him.

Still head and shoulders right now above most of the GOP.
 

LVH

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And it took the whole RINO industrial complex to take her down, but I just don't think America First people are going to just jump on to Oz.
The RINO complex actually took out Sean Parnell who was the slam dunk America First candidate to clear the lane for McConnell stooge David McCormick. The problem is PA Republicans HATE the GOP establishment so much it didn't work - McCormick cant get any traction.
 

vicarfrog

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The RINO complex actually took out Sean Parnell who was the slam dunk America First candidate to clear the lane for McConnell stooge David McCormick. The problem is PA Republicans HATE the GOP establishment so much it didn't work - McCormick cant get any traction.
McCormick is toast. Barnette and Oz are neck and neck. My gut says Oz finishes first, but the GOP needs to understand that America First people aren't going to be "good ol' boys" and just rally behind a GOP candidate. We're not "GOP." And I don't think they understand that yet. We'll let a democrat win before we vote for Oz. At least the Dems are honest a about what they plan to do. Establishment GOP are used car salesmen, who woo you to get the vote and then stab you in the back.
 

LVH

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McCormick is toast. Barnette and Oz are neck and neck. My gut says Oz finishes first, but the GOP needs to understand that America First people aren't going to be "good ol' boys" and just rally behind a GOP candidate. We're not "GOP." And I don't think they understand that yet. We'll let a democrat win before we vote for Oz. At least the Dems are honest a about what they plan to do. Establishment GOP are used car salesmen, who woo you to get the vote and then stab you in the back.
I've been saying since 2016 that many of the Republicans who voted Trump in states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa aren't Republicans. They are America First nationalist-populists. They hate Wall Street-Chamber of Commerce-Country Club Republicans and will go back to voting democrat in a heartbeat if given the choice between a democrat and Wall Street Republican stooge.

Trump won Ohio by 10 points two times in a row - that state is not a red state, its an America First state - it will turn blue again if a Mitt Romney style Republican is the nominee or a statewide candidate in Ohio. Pennsylvania is the same way. Trade and Immigration are the 2 most important issues to the Trump coalition in the rust belt states and the GOP leadership are on the opposite side of those two issues.

Surprisingly, the South/Sun Belt states are a lot more friendly to the establishment wing of the GOP because the GOP voters in those states are less working class blue collar union types whose top issues are trade and immigration.
 

vicarfrog

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I've been saying since 2016 that many of the Republicans who voted Trump in states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa aren't Republicans. They are America First nationalist-populists. They hate Wall Street-Chamber of Commerce-Country Club Republicans and will go back to voting democrat in a heartbeat if given the choice between a democrat and Wall Street Republican stooge.

Trump won Ohio by 10 points two times in a row - that state is not a red state, its an America First state - it will turn blue again if a Mitt Romney style Republican is the nominee or a statewide candidate in Ohio. Pennsylvania is the same way. Trade and Immigration are the 2 most important issues to the Trump coalition in the rust belt states and the GOP leadership are on the opposite side of those two issues.

Surprisingly, the South/Sun Belt states are a lot more friendly to the establishment wing of the GOP because the GOP voters in those states are less working class blue collar union types whose top issues are trade and immigration.

Pennsylvania is going to be tight in November. I wouldn't be shocked if Mastriano became Governor, but Oz/McCormick lost.

Totally agree about the South/Sun Belt! Look at Texas, Huffines and West didn't have a chance. They would have been loved in the rust belt. For all of Texas' tough talk, we are establishment GOP.
 

What Up Toad

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Pennsylvania is going to be tight in November. I wouldn't be shocked if Mastriano became Governor, but Oz/McCormick lost.

Totally agree about the South/Sun Belt! Look at Texas, Huffines and West didn't have a chance. They would have been loved in the rust belt. For all of Texas' tough talk, we are establishment GOP.

I think Fetterman over Oz/McCormick will win. He's a Democrat focusing on economics and crime, not the progressive agenda.

And he at least genuinely believes in what he's preaching. I don't think the same can be said about Oz.
 

hiphopfroggy

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Jan. 6 hearing: Trump remains ‘clear and present danger’ to American democracy, retired GOP judge tells panel​


The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot on Thursday laid out in striking new details how much pressure former President Donald Trump applied to then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election, calling him a “wimp” and provoking an angry mob of supporters to threaten Pence’s life.

The committee said the rioters, some of whom vowed to kill Pence, came within 40 feet of him before Secret Service agents were able to get him to a safe location in the Capitol. The panel has accused Trump of leading a multi-pronged conspiracy to overturn President Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 contest.

Retired federal Judge J. Michael Luttig, who advised Pence ahead of the Capitol riot, directly accused Trump and his allies of waging a “war on democracy” on Jan. 6, 2021. He called Trump a “clear and present danger” to American democracy.

“Our democracy today is on a knife’s edge,” Luttig, a former judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, said in a blistering witness statement shared with CNBC by the select committee.

The previous hearing on Monday focused on how Trump amplified false claims that his loss was the result of widespread election fraud, even as numerous officials close to him told him that those claims were meritless.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/16/tru...nvestigators-hold-third-day-of-testimony.html





Is anyone watching the Jan 6th hearings? Thoughts?
 
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