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What’s the Delta between TCU and Texas Tech?

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calisuperfrog

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I think we all know it’s a new era in college sports… The reality is, unless you’re lucky, this is a pay for play for performance era of college football. Right now, Texas Tech through primarily one alumni, has vastly changed the fortune of their team. I know records aren’t all public as a relates to all NIL deals, but what’s the true Delta between what Cody is spending at Texas Tech, and what TCU is spending to try to field the best team possible? While TCU does not have a Cody (that I know of), we do have lots of very wealthy and willing donors. How far off the mark are we to be national competitive in this new world?
 
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Just based on a quick Google search, the B1G revenue sharing is $75M per year and school vs around $35M for the Big12. Then there is all the real(ish) NIL numbers for players which is very difficult to estimate and of course all the realities of being in a big2 conference and non-football differences like location and facilities.

Vs TTech alone I'm guessing from the numbers we heard bandied around they are working with at least double the 20m NIL number. My guess is we are over that number as well but who knows. The big reality is we are being outspent significantly and the gap will get worse every year especially as those totals compound with investment and playoff/bowl revenue sharing being gobbled up by the big2. My assumption and understanding is Tech is making these moves in hopes of being way ahead of our league and becoming more attractive for the inevitable ACC self-destruction and realignment, which will lead to an endgame of the big2 either combining or colluding to shutout the rest of D1 from the playoffs. I think this path is pretty set and we are all waiting for exactly how and when the dominoes fall.

My question is whether inclusion in this inevitable big boy semi-pro league is what we as fans actually want. Would we all just be happier being a player in a second tier league? With less money and more of an actual college football feel, but with the understanding that we will always lose good players to that league and never have the best players overall in ours. Essentially becoming a ND/SD state for division 1b.
 
82 Frog Fever

82 Frog Fever

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The difference for a few years is in the 10s of millions.

Right now, pay for players is limited to 2 processes:
1) Rev Share - is limited to $20.5m and grows at 4% per year for all FBS schools.
2) There is also Corporate NIL Endorsement payments, which can be extremely large. As of June 25th, all of these Corporate NIL payments are monitored and audited by Deloitte to ensure they are for ”REAL” player endorsements of products or player work.
Note: Booster or Club NIL like Flying T is now gone. Flying T has been shut down.

Here is the issue:
Large SEC, Big10, and Texas Tech schools saw all this coming before the June 25th deadline. As a result, big donors like Cody Campbell, ponied up millions of dollars and “front-end” loaded (no longer allowed) their NIL endorsement contracts……so their players are getting many more millions than is currently allowed.
It could take as long as 5 years for these contracts to filter thru the system.

After that, the playing field will be a little more level. But the large state schools will still have a major advantage, as they will have many more corporate sponsors than a private school like TCU.

Coaching and wins are extremely important for a smaller school like TCU, as many more large corporate NIL Endorsement sponsors will present themselves for a 10 win team, rather than a 6 or 7 win team. In other words, success breeds more success!
 
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More Frogs the Better

More Frogs the Better

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82 Frog Fever said:
The difference for a few years is in the 10s of millions.

Right now, pay for players is limited to 2 processes:
1) Rev Share - is limited to $20.5m and grows at 4% per year for all FBS schools.
2) There is also Corporate NIL Endorsement payments, which can be extremely large. As of June 25th, all of these Corporate NIL payments are monitored and audited by Deloitte to ensure they are for ”REAL” player endorsements of products or player work.
Note: Booster or Club NIL like Flying T is now gone. Flying T has been shut down.

Here is the issue:
Large SEC, Big10, and Texas Tech schools saw all this coming before the June 25th deadline. As a result, big donors like Cody Campbell, ponied up millions of dollars and “front-end” loaded (no longer allowed) their NIL endorsement contracts……so their players are getting many more millions than is currently allowed.
It could take as long as 5 years for these contracts to filter thru the system.

After that, the playing field will be a little more level. But the large state schools will still have a major advantage, as they will have many more corporate sponsors than a private school like TCU.

Coaching and wins are extremely important for a smaller school like TCU, as many more large corporate NIL Endorsement sponsors will present themselves for a 10 win team, rather than a 6 or 7 win team. In other words, success breeds more success!
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To expand on that, those front end contracts allow them to not only pay more now but since those are multi year deals in some cases, have more cap money available for new player acquisition rather than having to use those funds for both recruiting and roster retention.
 
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Wexahu

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82 Frog Fever said:
Yup, then you throw in Tech’s new $240m Football Country Club, it’s a pretty effective sales pitch that almost makes you forget you’re in Lubbock.

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Our location advantage when it comes to recruiting pretty much went away with the pay-for-play rule. VERY few kids are going to turn down an extra $50-100k/year to play in FW rather than Lubbock or anywhere else for that matter.

Besides, DFW is a pro sports area, I don't think the location thing ever made much difference anyway.
 
82 Frog Fever

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Wexahu said:
Our location advantage when it comes to recruiting pretty much went away with the pay-for-play rule. VERY few kids are going to turn down an extra $50-100k/year to play in FW rather than Lubbock or anywhere else for that matter.

Besides, DFW is a pro sports area, I don't think the location thing ever made much difference anyway.
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Yes, and there is so much money out there, it’s easy to get mom and dad an airline ticket & Holiday Inn.

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