Week 13 games

[82 Frog Fever]

I don't think they are miles ahead at all, and Notre Dame is not in the ACC.

I think the B12 and ACC are about the same. The ACC might be a bit better at the very top, but I think the B12 is deeper.

ND is contracted to play 5 ACC teams every year. They are more ACC than anything else. The B12 would kill to get a similar agreement, and the money/notoriety that goes with it.

You fully understand ”…conferences are carried by their flagship schools”, yet it doesn’t seem to apply when it’s the ACC kicking our ass.
Clemson, Miami, FSU, and Duke are all far bigger brands than anything the B12 has, and with a 10-1 SMU added, the ACC easily pulls away from the B12.

 

[Wexahu]

ND is contracted to play 5 ACC teams every year. They are more ACC than anything else. The B12 would kill to get a similar agreement.

You fully understand ”…conferences are carried by their flagship schools”, yet it doesn’t seem to apply when it’s the ACC kicking our ass.
Clemson, Miami, FSU, and Duke are all far bigger brands than anything the B12 has, and with a 10-1 SMU added the ACC easily pulls away from the B12.

Duke??? Are you serious? And SMU? Can we tap the brakes just a bit here?

Clemson, FSU and Miami might be bigger brands right now than any Big 12 school, but there is a huge difference between those schools and Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Alabama, Georgia the list goes on. That's why they aren't in the SEC or Big 10 after all. They haven't always been big brands and their appeal to national audiences comes and goes.

I think you're getting a little carried away with the ACC love. There might be 10 Big 12 schools that are better football brands than Duke. And that's what we are talking about, football. If you want to talk basketball that's a completely different discussion and the Big 12 is going to look very nice in that one.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

I already know what's going to happen.

If you really love TCU football, you're just going to have to lower the bar from where it probably was before (unless you just want to be perennially disappointed), because in this league and more importantly with free agency/pay for play, we aren't ever getting back to where we once were not long ago.

I’m not lowering expectations one bit. The second any team lowers their expectations and stops fighting for more, they fulfill their pending downfall and only give more power to the CFP.
Rage against the dying of the light. Do not go gentle into that dark night.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

Duke??? Are you serious? And SMU? Can we tap the brakes just a bit here?

Clemson, FSU and Miami might be bigger brands right now than any Big 12 school, but there is a huge difference between those schools and Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Alabama, Georgia the list goes on. That's why they aren't in the SEC or Big 10 after all. They haven't always been big brands and their appeal to national audiences comes and goes.

I think you're getting a little carried away with the ACC love. There might be 10 Big 12 schools that are better football brands than Duke. And that's what we are talking about, football. If you want to talk basketball that's a completely different discussion and the Big 12 is going to look very nice in that one.

If you can’t recognize Duke as one of the biggest brands in college sports, you are out of touch. In the last 10 years they are 242-77, plus 5 national championships, and 21 ACC championships

 

[Wexahu]

I’m not lowering expectations one bit. The second any team lowers their expectations and stops fighting for more, they fulfill their pending downfall and only give more power to the CFP.
Rage against the dying of the light. Do not go gentle into that dark night.

I did say, "unless you want to be perennially disappointed".

What do mean by "power to the CFP?" They don't have much power at all. Is the CFP even an entity?

 

[Wexahu]

If you can’t recognize Duke as one of the biggest brands in college sports, you are out of touch. In the last 10 years they are 242-77, plus 5 national championships, and 21 ACC championships

They are a big basketball brand, in football they are basically irrelevant. Clemson and Miami are the opposite.

What are we talking about here?

If the SEC and Big 10 start plucking off more teams, Duke is far, far down the list.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

I did say, "unless you want to be perennially disappointed".

What do mean by "power to the CFP?" They don't have much power at all. Is the CFP even an entity?

Hell yes the CFP is an entity. It’s run by 11 University reps and the B12 has one representative, Yormark. It’s completely stacked against us. They make all the rules and control most of the money.
The CFP is sucking away life from anything that isn’t BIG/SEC.
Right now we have 1 seat at the table that isn’t even guaranteed. The very second we give in and lower our expectations, we’ll lose that too.

 

[Wexahu]

Hell yes the CFP is an entity. It’s run by 11 University reps and the B12 has one representative, Yormark. It’s completely stacked against us. They make all the rules and control most of the money.
The CFP is sucking away life from anything that isn’t BIG/SEC.
Right now we have 1 seat at the table that isn’t even guaranteed. The very second we give in and lower our expectations, we’ll lose that too.

The Big 10 and SEC presidents will decide whether they want TCU and other schools in the Big 12 to be a part of whatever it is that they do. As of now, they want us involved to some degree. I don't expect that to last indefinitely, and no amount of fighting or not giving in is going to change that. Might make it worse even.

 

[Mean Purple]

Well, I know it isn't an exact science and these kinds of rankings can be flawed, but the Top 25 includes.....

13 SEC schools
6 Big 10 Schools
5 ACC schools
and Notre Dame

0 Big 12 schools

2024 College Football Team Talent Composite

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

247sports.com

That's recruiting, if I saw correctly on my phone. There is a huge difference between recruits and what's playing on you 1s and 2s.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

They are a big basketball brand, in football they are basically irrelevant. Clemson and Miami are the opposite.

What are we talking about here?

If the SEC and Big 10 start plucking off more teams, Duke is far, far down the list.

We’re talking about the ACC having at least 4 bigger brands than anything the B12 can field. It’s really more than 4, plus a 10-1 SMU, plus ND 5 games.

The B12 is a distant 4th at best. Don’t believe me. Just look at 247
The ACC has 4 of the top 17 brands in CFB and the B12 has ZERO in the top 25.

College football's 25 biggest brands, ranked

The most recognizable programs in college football, according to high school recruits.

247sports.com

 

[Wexahu]

We’re talking about the ACC having at least 4 bigger brands than anything the B12 can field. It’s really more than 4, plus a 10-1 SMU, plus ND 5 games.

The B12 is a distant 4th at best. Don’t believe me. Just look at 247
The ACC has 4 of the top 17 brands in CFB and the B12 has ZERO in the top 25.

College football's 25 biggest brands, ranked

The most recognizable programs in college football, according to high school recruits.

247sports.com

Biggest brands??

Clemson at #5, Miami at #10, Notre Dame at #12 and Michigan at #16 and USC @ #19? LOLOLOLOL!!!!

I don't know who put that list together but they have [ Finebaum ] for brains. I mean, that's just a ridiculous list. I won't even bother mentioning the other blatant bits of stupidness. If every school was a free agent just based on brand, Notre Dame and Michigan would be in the Top 5. Clemson and Miami would be FAR down the list, maybe not in the Top 25.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

Biggest brands??

Clemson at #5, Miami at #10, Notre Dame at #12 and Michigan at #16 and USC @ #19? LOLOLOLOL!!!!

I don't know who put that list together but they have [ Finebaum ] for brains. I mean, that's just a ridiculous list. I won't even bother mentioning the other blatant bits of stupidness. If every school was a free agent just based on brand, Notre Dame and Michigan would be in the Top 5. Clemson and Miami would be FAR down the list, maybe not in the Top 25.

Actually it’s you. You don’t research anything. You don’t look anything up.
You just know because you’re a natural football genius.
Now you even know more than a 10+ year CBS/247 professional sportswriter that actually does this for a living and researches his content.
Every time you get your ass kicked in some kind of exchange, you start with the defensive LOLOLO, then try to knock sources, but at the end of the day you have ZERO that supports any of your spewage.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

The Big 10 and SEC presidents will decide whether they want TCU and other schools in the Big 12 to be a part of whatever it is that they do. As of now, they want us involved to some degree. I don't expect that to last indefinitely, and no amount of fighting or not giving in is going to change that. Might make it worse even.

Right now the BIG/SEC is researching what a playoff picture looks like that only includes them.

 

[Wexahu]

Actually it’s you. You don’t research anything. You don’t look anything up.
You just know because you’re a natural football genius.
Now you even know more than a 10+ year CBS/247 professional sportswriter that actually does this for a living and researches his content.
Every time you get your ass kicked in some kind of exchange, you start with the defensive LOLOLO, then try to knock sources, but at the end of the day you have ZERO that’s supports any of your spewage.

Why do you not think Clemson or Miami are in the SEC? Or the Big 10 for that matter.

Forget what that 247 guy thinks. Do YOU honestly think Clemson and Miami are bigger football brands than Michigan, Notre Dame and USC? Which of these matchups if they played for the National Title would get better ratings.......USC vs Michigan or Clemson vs Miami.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

Why do you not think Clemson or Miami are in the SEC? Or the Big 10 for that matter.

Forget what that 247 guy thinks. Do YOU honestly think Clemson and Miami are bigger football brands than Michigan, Notre Dame and USC? Which of these matchups if they played for the National Title would get better ratings.......USC vs Michigan or Clemson vs Miami.

Clemson and Miami are in the ACC because they can’t get out of the ACC without paying $400m+. Check FSU for details.

 

[tetonfrog]

If the SEC/Big 10 wants to kick us/everyone out and leave this version of college football, then I wish they would do it sooner and not later. They have stacked the new playoff format to the gills with their teams and are still complaining.

Penn State might get a bye and - at the minimum - host a playoff game. Their best wins are USC, Michigan and Minnesota. What a joke! And they will scream and piss and moan when Bama and Ole Miss don't get in - even after they lost to bad OU and bad Florida, who were a punching bag for the rest of the league because they were so awful.

I hope they find a way out of the ACC TV deal before 2036 and end this charade. If they do that, then we can all move with our lives and college football can have an even playing field again. And there is a very small chance we get in, too. If we don't, then we can still play SMU, Tech, BU and the rest of the Big 12 going forward.

 

[Wexahu]

Clemson and Miami are in the ACC because they can’t get out of the ACC without paying $400m+. Check FSU for details.

I come in peace.....here is an "updated" version of what you had sent earlier. Makes a lot more sense....to me anyway.

#4 - Michigan
#5 - Notre Dame
#7 - USC
#10 - FSU
#13 - Clemson
#18 - Miami

This ranking seems very fluid based on how "good" a team is at the time, so I'd suspect FSU and Clemson will fall further next year. In any event, I don't think they are even near the brands ND, Michigan, and USC are. And back tot he original discussion, as far as how good the ACC is, I don't think it's markedly better than the Big 12, there's just a little less parity so there's more separation at the top. I think SMU's odds of going 8-0 or whatever they are in the ACC wouldn't be any higher were they a Big 12 team. And I don't think either Clemson or Miami could count on going through the B12 unscathed either. IMO the slightly better at the top THIS YEAR, but not as good at the bottom.

Ranking college football's 25 biggest brands entering the 2024 season

In terms of recognition, revenue and being seen, these programs stand above the others nationally.

247sports.com

 

[Mean Purple]

The doom and gloom here in conduct unbecoming.

A very bad TCU team lost by 3 to Texas last year. The Texas that had a more explosive offense than this year, that is pretty much cruising through the SEC.

 

[bmoney214]

I believe his name is "Future Cowboys QB."

Not with the $60 million dollar man on the Cowboys roster.

 

[Mean Purple]

Right now the BIG/SEC is researching what a playoff picture looks like that only includes them.
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dude is talking out of his ass.