We have single handedly taken the forward pass back to 1906

[Chongo94]

Unreal how bad we are at completing a forward pass....or a screen pass for that matter.

 

[More Frogs the Better]

It's not unreal. It's very real and has been since CP was not here. Let's hope Tyler Matthews is the real deal because even if CP is back, it is for only one year. We got nada in QB recruiting so far this year. And what QB would want to come play for these OC's who make the Wacker veer look innovative?

 

[jake102]

That screen pass to Tucker was hard to watch. A two yard pass turned into a five yard loss.

 

[Chongo94]

That screen pass to Tucker was hard to watch. A two yard pass turned into a five yard loss.

Truly....I vomited a bit in my mouth when I saw that one.

 

[NewFrogFan]

Not that I disagree, but I seem to remember that Andy Dalton had some of those "days" when he was a freshman too.

 

[Chongo94]

Not that I disagree, but I seem to remember that Andy Dalton had some of those "days" when he was a freshman too.

While Andy may have had some bad games here and there, I don't ever remember him struggling with just the mechanics of throwing as a whole.

 

[Da Frogs]

Not that I disagree, but I seem to remember that Andy Dalton had some of those "days" when he was a freshman too.

Andy Dalton never had a game like that in his entire life including middle school games.

 

[Frogs1983]

Andy struggled way more as a runner than a passer his early years!
We have stud WR's and can't even get the ball to them.Pathetic.

 

[Da Frogs]

The more pressing question should be why we picked Boykin over Johnny Manzell.

 

[jake102]

Making bad decisions is one thing, simply not having a throwing motion that allows you to accurately dump off a three yard pass is another.

 

[More Frogs the Better]

Dalton made mistakes and was inconsistent his first couple of years. But he was never anything close to what we saw tonight. And, I would add, with way less to work with. And then he really took off when Fuente took over the offense. David Ash and Major Applewhite beat a better team tonight.

 

[SoonerBredCD]

Correct me if I"m wrong, but Michigan State was much worse passing than TCU. No?

 

[NewFrogFan]

Andy Dalton never had a game like that in his entire life including middle school games.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by "that" but you need to check the stats from the Texas game and Utah game from 2007, both losses, and in the case of Utah.............4 Int's. Of course I did not check the other 3 losses while playing in the MWC that year. In fact, he threw more int's that year than TD's. Boykin before tonight had 15 TD's to 10 Int's and only 300 or so less yards than what AD finished with and had a MUCH BETTER running game.

 

[Chongo94]

Well I'm not sure what you mean by "that" but you need to check the stats from the Texas game and Utah game from 2007, both losses, and in the case of Utah.............4 Int's. Of course I did not check the other 3 losses while playing in the MWC that year. In fact, he threw more int's that year than TD's. Boykin before tonight had 15 TD's to 10 Int's and only 300 or so less yards than what AD finished with and had a MUCH BETTER running game.

Andy also attempted FAR more passes over the year than Boykin did, which tells me there was far more confidence in his throwing ability than Boykin and also would account for the more ints and whatnot. He also had about 500-600 yards less than Dalton.

 

[Kaiser]

The more pressing question should be why we picked Boykin over Johnny Manzell.

Frog Factor. That's always the answer.

 

[NewFrogFan]

Andy also attempted FAR more passes over the year than Boykin did, which tells me there was far more confidence in his throwing ability than Boykin and also would account for the more ints and whatnot. He also had about 500-600 yards less than Dalton.

Andy did attempt more passes.........but he also played every game, Boykin did not, the completion percentage difference is less that 3%. As for total yards, this stuff is readily available...........Dalton threw for 2459 yards in 13 games where he played QB every game and he threw at least 50 more passes than Boykin. Boykin threw for 2255 yards in 13 games. I am not trying to say Boykin had a great game BUT, many have FORGOTTEN what is was like when Andy Dalton was a freshman on an 8-5 team in the MWC.

 

[Kaiser]

Correct me if I"m wrong, but Michigan State was much worse passing than TCU. No?

Yes. They are about 6 WRs short of a football team.

 

[Chongo94]

Andy did attempt more passes.........but he also played every game, Boykin did not, the completion percentage difference is less that 3%. As for total yards, this stuff is readily available...........Dalton threw for 2459 yards in 13 games where he played QB every game and he threw at least 50 more passes than Boykin. Boykin threw for 2255 yards in 13 games. I am not trying to say Boykin had a great game BUT, many have FORGOTTEN what is was like when Andy Dalton was a freshman on an 8-5 team in the MWC.

NewFrog, we'll just have to agree to disagree. You can point to stats as your evidence (I hadn't added in tonight's stats to Boykin's totals, my apology) that there isn't much difference between the two and that we should remember that Andy wasn't great at first or whatnot but unfortunately, I choose to believe what my eyes tell me.

And for me, my eyes tell me that Andy NEVER had problems delivering a 4 yard swing pass and he never sidearmed his passes that I honestly remember at least. Now he threw some ints, that's for sure, but I'm fairly certain most on here would agree that they never questioned his ability to actually throw a forward pass, I know I didn't. My eyes tell me that Andy was a FAR better passer than Boykin may ever be although your stats may not indicate that to you.

 

[SoonerBredCD]

NewFrog, we'll just have to agree to disagree. You can point to stats as your evidence (I hadn't added in tonight's stats to Boykin's totals, my apology) that there isn't much difference between the two and that we should remember that Andy wasn't great at first or whatnot but unfortunately, I choose to believe what my eyes tell me.

And for me, my eyes tell me that Andy NEVER had problems delivering a 4 yard swing pass and he never sidearmed his passes that I honestly remember at least. Now he threw some ints, that's for sure, but I'm fairly certain most on here would agree that they never questioned his ability to actually throw a forward pass, I know I didn't. My eyes tell me that Andy was a FAR better passer than Boykin may ever be although your stats may not indicate that to you.

Textbook knee jerk. Boykin is young and will get much better.

 

[NewFrogFan]

NewFrog, we'll just have to agree to disagree. You can point to stats as your evidence (I hadn't added in tonight's stats to Boykin's totals, my apology) that there isn't much difference between the two and that we should remember that Andy wasn't great at first or whatnot but unfortunately, I choose to believe what my eyes tell me.

And for me, my eyes tell me that Andy NEVER had problems delivering a 4 yard swing pass and he never sidearmed his passes that I honestly remember at least. Now he threw some ints, that's for sure, but I'm fairly certain most on here would agree that they never questioned his ability to actually throw a forward pass, I know I didn't. My eyes tell me that Andy was a FAR better passer than Boykin may ever be although your stats may not indicate that to you.

Ok............I'll give you the 4 yeard swing pass.............hundreds of them, I will take the win over Texas, at Texas, something AD did not get done! As for who looks the prettiest throwing the pass, I will say Dalton all day, but when he ran the ball, HE WAS VERY CLOSE to a ticket on the "short bus" in his early years. I posted on here after Boykins game against ISU about his throwing motion. Lastly, the stats are not "my" stats, they are the RESULTS of what happened DESPITE what your eyes have to do with it.