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froginmn

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When USC and UCLA left the Pac-12, Bob Thompson (former Fox Sports exec who knows more about this stuff than any of us) pegged Stanford's media rights value as being higher than Oregon. And he's an Oregon alum. The Big Ten's subsequent expansion decisions contradict Bob's analysis, but the idea that Stanford is some worthless media property seems far-fetched.

None of those worthless countermeasures (you're touting the opinion of one person whose opinion was contradicted? Bold move) do anything to refute any of what I said.
 

ECM

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None of those worthless countermeasures (you're touting the opinion of one person whose opinion was contradicted? Bold move) do anything to refute any of what I said.
OK. I'm going to trust a former Fox Sports exec over "froginmn" when it comes to media rights valuations.

As to the suicide story you posted ad hominem, it's a good thing that no Big 12 schools have any skeletons in their closet. Like Baylor. Or Trevone Boykin using women as punching bags.
 

froginmn

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OK. I'm going to trust a former Fox Sports exec over "froginmn" when it comes to media rights valuations.

As to the suicide story you posted ad hominem, it's a good thing that no Big 12 schools have any skeletons in their closet. Like Baylor. Or Trevone Boykin using women as punching bags.
I didn't say anything about Stanford's media valuation. You posted a speculative article linked to a Substack, and said yourself that it was contradicted by what actually happened.

The discussion about Katie Meyer isn't an ad hominem attack per se; it's an unrelated and superfluous attack on the institution in question. It reflects poorly not on any athletes at the school but on the leadership of the school directly.

She helped the school win a natty. A couple years later she got involved in a situation defending a teammate who was assaulted and Katie was thus subject to potential discipline. Six months after the issue was raised and on the last day before the "statute of limitations" ran out to charge her, the Stanford OCS office sent her an email - after hours when school offices were closed - telling her that she was being disciplined and her degree may be withheld. She had previously sought mental health support from the school, and that night she took her own life. Doing it via email versus in person, and not providing her with any legal representation or counseling, was really [ Finebaum ]ty.

Very interesting story, as I said. I recommend the E60 show.
 

froginmn

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Yeah I don't misrepresent things. I said nothing about their valuation but you tried to misrepresent my comments by saying that I had.

Stanford has been a good school and had athletic success; their football successes (five NY6 appearances) are ten+ years ago and they weren't chosen by the Big 10. They haven't won more than four games in a season (overall, including non-con) since 2018. They, along with Cal, have ended up in the wilderness. Even worse for Oregon St and Wash St.
 

ECM

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Yeah I don't misrepresent things. I said nothing about their valuation but you tried to misrepresent my comments by saying that I had.

Stanford has been a good school and had athletic success; their football successes (five NY6 appearances) are ten+ years ago and they weren't chosen by the Big 10. They haven't won more than four games in a season (overall, including non-con) since 2018. They, along with Cal, have ended up in the wilderness. Even worse for Oregon St and Wash St.
You inserted a story about a female athlete for no reason, as if it were specific to Stanford and not seen elsewhere. Which is particularly odd, given some of the Big 12 schools' missteps in recent years (BAYLOR)
 

froginmn

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You inserted a story about a female athlete for no reason, as if it were specific to Stanford and not seen elsewhere. Which is particularly odd, given some of the Big 12 schools' missteps in recent years (BAYLOR)
Correct, I added that and didn't misrepresent anything about it. They seem to have lost their way. Again, a school office sending a disciplinary notice via email on the last possible day, after hours, to a student who had previous contact with university services for mental health issues, was really [ Finebaum ]ty.

California even passed a law to ensure that students in situations like that are given representation. Stanford is a private institution so they aren't mandated to comply. Not sure if they have.

Schools covering up things that students and coaches do is bad; what Stanford did was worse because it was fully under their control and was entirely their own action. Again, I think the story was very interesting and recommend watching it.
 

ECM

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Correct, I added that and didn't misrepresent anything about it. They seem to have lost their way. Again, a school office sending a disciplinary notice via email on the last possible day, after hours, to a student who had previous contact with university services for mental health issues, was really [ Finebaum ]ty.

California even passed a law to ensure that students in situations like that are given representation. Stanford is a private institution so they aren't mandated to comply. Not sure if they have.

Schools covering up things that students and coaches do is bad; what Stanford did was worse because it was fully under their control and was entirely their own action. Again, I think the story was very interesting and recommend watching it.
I don't think the story is relevant at all to the discussion we were having. But you seem to get off on it for some strange reason.
 

froginmn

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I don't think the story is relevant at all to the discussion we were having. But you seem to get off on it for some strange reason.
OK, let's get back to the discussion "we were having". You seem to be trying to tout Stanford football, which last won more than four games in 2018.

Other than what one guy wrote on his Substack about a guy who thought they were more valuable than Oregon, what else do you have?

And why are you so intent on making them seem great?
 

ECM

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OK, let's get back to the discussion "we were having". You seem to be trying to tout Stanford football, which last won more than four games in 2018.

Other than what one guy wrote on his Substack about a guy who thought they were more valuable than Oregon, what else do you have?

And why are you so intent on making them seem great?
I'm not intent on "making them seem great," I was asked by someone else why they got a better deal from the ACC than SMU did, and I think I answered the question sufficiently. I don't think Stanford is comparable with USC or Notre Dame, but I also think the insinuation that they have no value isn't grounded in reality.
 

froginmn

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I'm not intent on "making them seem great," I was asked by someone else why they got a better deal from the ACC than SMU did, and I think I answered the question sufficiently. I don't think Stanford is comparable with USC or Notre Dame, but I also think the insinuation that they have no value isn't grounded in reality.
Yeah maybe. Seems like they've really run aground. 28K average attendance, a string of 3 and 4 win seasons, and a recruiting pitch about having to fly to the east coast for several conference games seems like a challenge to me.
 

Paint It Purple

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The real meaning of it all is this. TCU "IS" the Grambling State of football schedules. "Okay,
TCU. We'll play you at our stadium, but no way in hell we're coming to your stadium." And, TCU responds by saying, "yes please, may I have another." Our Admins are spineless.
 

Big Frog II

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I think one big part of Stanford dropping this game is the ACC going to 9 conference games. That and them not wanting to add another long flight to their season since they are having to fly across the county so often.
 

ECM

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I think one big part of Stanford dropping this game is the ACC going to 9 conference games. That and them not wanting to add another long flight to their season since they are having to fly across the county so often.
Yes. A lot of SEC teams have also been dropping OOC series given their move to a 9-game conference slate
 
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