NewFrogFan
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Programs like the KCAL in KISD should be mandatory in every school district!
Tuition up to $61,000!!!
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NewFrogFan
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The airlines have pretty much abandoned the requirement for a college degree for pilots. The recent contracts settlements and those to come have insane pay charts even those at commuter airlines. AA recently reached out to UPS and FedEX as they are/may have more pilots than current business requires. Direct hire into PSA CA seat, w current YOS pay scale, 250k signing bonus, 175k in first year, balance in 2nd, and a # to flow to AA. At the higher end of the payscale at AA, a wide body CAPT on reserve could make over 30k in a month and never turn a wheel, then add in 18% of gross into 401k, and they pay after tax after reaching fed limits.
Dont even talk about what happens when they start paying premium rates for overtime flying.
Dont even talk about what happens when they start paying premium rates for overtime flying.
What are you thoughts on people staying first officer with better control of their schedule/route?
My daughter for the past 7 years has been laser focused on wanting to be a pilot but not a captain. She researched most of it herself. Can't exactly say it's a bad plan.
Republican Congress.
The cost of community college is not really a problem. College needs to cost something.
NewFrogFan
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That thought process has been used for years. That plan many times is forced by bad timing. I flew w many 20 plus year FO’s that had no choice. Right now there are 2 year CAPT at AA! When I upgraded to MD11 in DFW years ago, there were only 54 FO slots at a base w 3000 pilots. There were only 4, 3 stripe FO’s out of that total, 1 was me. All the others were CA “bid backs”. The 777 came on board and my sweet 1 leg Tokyo, 1 leg home went away to a bid sheet that only had GRU, Sao Paulo, a giant [ Finebaum ] hole that has only gotten to be a larger [ Finebaum ] hole! Took me 12 years to get to that status.
I could not hold 777 FO so I upgraded to CA on F100 and I loved that little jet. Then 9/11 happens and AA was hiring right up to the day they furloughed thousands, some of which did not come back for 13 years. These periods are when the no college degree types really get slammed vs especially a pilot in Reserves/National Guard who has endless opportunities doing many things in military.
One thing I’m sure your daughter will not know is how much the money has changed for small jet CAPT. Envoy has Check Pilots making north of 4-500k in those positions. The upgrades are fast to CA but the flow to major airlines is slow and can stop any day. A furloughed CAPT has far more opportunities assuming there are some vs an FO. I flew CAPT over 20 years of my 34, to this day some of the complete penisheads I had to fly with as an FO made upgrading a no brainer. Timing is EVERYTHING in this career.
My daughter is a retired B52H USAFR pilot if you have not read previous posts about her.
I have mentored many in the past, these days the best path is a little different but in many ways the same, fly, fly, fly. PM me for more soecific.
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NewFrogFan
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Democracks can step up and empty their bank accounts to support the programs they want. Support for invasions, college loan repayment, free Community College should be a tax form entry every year. Minimum 5 digit left of decimal point for those willing to admit they are libtards! Fair?
Horned Frog Country
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At some point down the road, the tax policy may not be so favorable to to expensive private universities like TCU and Ivy League schools. I can see a day when contributions will not be tax except and endowments will be taxed. It is really hard to call a private educational institution that charge a ridiculously high tuition with an endowment in the billions to be treated as a nonprofit.
froginaustin
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For what it’s worth,
In-laws are sending a daughter to St Edwards, where the window sticker was 65k this academic year. Or so they say.
In-laws have 2 professional level incomes, but bargained for a small tuition discount. Kid had good high school grades. Again, that’s what they tell me. They’re probably not exaggerating too much and they may be not exaggerating at all.
If TCU is cheaper than St Ed’s (not a bad school, but anyway), I am not surprised TCU is upping it’s ask.
In-laws are sending a daughter to St Edwards, where the window sticker was 65k this academic year. Or so they say.
In-laws have 2 professional level incomes, but bargained for a small tuition discount. Kid had good high school grades. Again, that’s what they tell me. They’re probably not exaggerating too much and they may be not exaggerating at all.
If TCU is cheaper than St Ed’s (not a bad school, but anyway), I am not surprised TCU is upping it’s ask.
Frog-in-law1995
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It’s amazing. Both trades and stem programs.
Thanks I will do that. My daughter is eager but a bit ahead of schedule. She's got 8 years till end of highschool. She likes to plan far out and is insanely smart. Frankly bit out of depth on her, I was never that smart, just smart enough if you will.
NewFrogFan
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I think the schools gouging these kids/parents should have some skin in the game on what happens after school, ie, student unable to get a job in the career field they earned degree, refunds start happening. If it keeps happening, [ Finebaum ] can what was probably a WORTHLESS degree and program to start with!
NewFrogFan
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I wonder if KCAL would accept older “students”?
Many schools are in serious trouble with the enrollment cliff coming. They are expecting the government to bail them out and I hope they don't. Small private schools will get eaten alive.
TCU sky rocketing tuition when a recession is coming isn't exactly a genius move. If they increase tuition at 5% and room in board (which has gone up faster than tuition) we are looking at 500k for 4 years in 2034. No exaggeration at all. 100k tuition and 25k room and board in 2024. Really would be higher than 500k.
LVH
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Can anyone name one industry the government got involved in that didn't result in a massive price increase
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Sangria Wine
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Put that much money into an investment account for the kid and when they turn 59 1/2 they would have close to $15MM. No chance that $61k/year tuition plus room/board/etc X 4 years will ever make economic sense. Total insanity…
Listened to a podcast with John Goff on it and he made the comment that he one time put a pencil to it and determined he had about $1,000 invested in total in his education (public school then accounting degree from University of Texas). It’s unreal what free federal guaranteed student loan money has done to push the costs of higher education to over the last few decades…
Listened to a podcast with John Goff on it and he made the comment that he one time put a pencil to it and determined he had about $1,000 invested in total in his education (public school then accounting degree from University of Texas). It’s unreal what free federal guaranteed student loan money has done to push the costs of higher education to over the last few decades…
Washington resident here. Much easier value proposition for UW (one of the best values in the country). 4 years of paid tuition by the time she’s 13 with guaranteed tuition plan.
Then shift monthly’s to the other 529 to get enough for 4 years of room and board.
lonestarfrog89
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I was speaking in a bit of hyperbole. For most folks spending $60k plus whatever room and board is, you’re going to graduate from TCU etc with $350k+ in debt with some huge interest rate. Good luck getting out of that hole unless you go into investment banking or something along those lines. I mean, I graduated with zero debt (incredibly lucky) and applied for a credit card after college and my monthly credit limit was $750, which is hilarious.
College certainly doesn’t set apart talent, so I agree with your comments around that for sure.
