Traffic Cops Harassing TCU Fans

[Pinkyfrog]

QUOTE(tetonfrog @ Nov 2 2009, 12:02 AM) [snapback]425023[/snapback]
Plenty of job openings in the schools. Feel free to give it a try and come back and talk to us. I spoke to a guy from Gladeview today and he said they put metal detecters at the front doors because a student knifed a teacher. Great job. Piece of cake.


Anecdotal evidence does not make a reliable gauge of the difficulty of the job. I'm sure somewhere along the line in this past year a janitor has been knifed, but believe me, the job of being a janitor is still easy.

 

[tetonfrog]

QUOTE(BABYFACE @ Nov 2 2009, 06:13 AM) [snapback]425025[/snapback]
I really don't know what to make with your post if it is sincere or sarchastic with an arse tone.

I haven't really had any problems with FWPD at TCU but until this past weekend and I only posted this because it seemed relevant to this thread. Thought it was noteworthy at that point. Why you have a problem with that puzzles me, especially for someone that lives out of state and thus not at every Frog and that somehow game makes you an expert on what some have encountered?


To answer your question: Both.

If you guys are upset, follow through with it. Good luck. I'm not sure how that is a smart-[Deleted] answer. I hope you get it resolved to your satisfaction and your next game at TCU is great- like mine was vs. CSU. I'm a little skeptical because this is the internet and I don't know you or Goo personally. Also, most of the TCU cops I've known are good guys. Crowd control at a football game is not a fun job and a lot of people like to do hatchet job on cops via the web.

At the same time, if you guys are upset: do something about it (with the police supervisors). Follow through. Good luck. I hope you resolve your problem.

And, yes, it was kinda arselike. I am sick and tired of reading threads about people whose game was ruined by _________. It's lame. Smile. Enjoy yourself. This is a special year and I read more complaints than positives on here. I don't get it. We should be happy and excited - not whiny. If I could, I'd fly to every game.

And it sucks to do crowd control. As I wrote my post at the hotel tonight, I also watch the pool. We have a 3-foot deep end and these little kids dove headfirst into it and the parents drank beer and cheered them on despite the huge do-not-dive signs and do-not-drink signs. Three times I went in there tonight with the same bunch before their night at the pool ended. I'm the bad guy for doing my job. They are going to complain my manager and corporate even though I am dead on right. Safety is first.

Finally, I can question anything I want with you. Like I said I don't know you or Goo. If that cop is an arse, then bust him. If he scared your wife and kids, then go all out on him. Good luck. But the TCU cops and most cops I've known have treated me well, thank you. A Texas cop saved my life once in a car wreck. So if there is a doubt in my mind, then I'll believe the cop. But, again, with sincerity, good luck. Best wishes.

Go Frogs!

 

[Pinkyfrog]

QUOTE(tetonfrog @ Nov 2 2009, 12:44 AM) [snapback]425032[/snapback]
To answer your question: Both.

If you guys are upset, follow through with it. Good luck. I'm not sure how that is a smart-[Deleted] answer. I hope you get it resolved to your satisfaction and your next game at TCU is great- like mine was vs. CSU. I'm a little skeptical because this is the internet and I don't know you or Goo personally. Also, most of the TCU cops I've known are good guys. Crowd control at a football game is not a fun job and a lot of people like to do hatchet job on cops via the web.


Anecdotal
QUOTE(tetonfrog @ Nov 2 2009, 12:44 AM) [snapback]425032[/snapback]
At the same time, if you guys are upset: do something about it (with the police supervisors). Follow through. Good luck. I hope you resolve your problem.

And, yes, it was kinda arselike. I am sick and tired of reading threads about people whose game was ruined by _________. It's lame. Smile. Enjoy yourself. This is a special year and I read more complaints than positives on here. I don't get it. We should be happy and excited - not whiny. If I could, I'd fly to every game.


So because we have a winning season we can't find ways to improve on the experience? Plus you don't have to read threads you don't want to, nobody is forcing you to.

QUOTE(tetonfrog @ Nov 2 2009, 12:44 AM) [snapback]425032[/snapback]
And it sucks to do crowd control. As I wrote my post at the hotel tonight, I also watch the pool. We have a 3-foot deep end and these little kids dove headfirst into it and the parents drank beer and cheered them on despite the huge do-not-dive signs and do-not-drink signs. Three times I went in there tonight with the same bunch before their night at the pool ended. I'm the bad guy for doing my job. They are going to complain my manager and corporate even though I am dead on right. Safety is first.

Finally, I can question anything I want with you. Like I said I don't know you or Goo. If that cop is an arse, then bust him. If he scared your wife and kids, then go all out on him. Good luck. But the TCU cops and most cops I've known have treated me well, thank you. A Texas cop saved my life once in a car wreck. So if there is a doubt in my mind, then I'll believe the cop. But, again, with sincerity, good luck. Best wishes.

Go Frogs!


Again, anecdotal. If he had a bad encounter with a cop, how come you just dismiss him because you had a good encounter? I've had nothing but good encounters with cops, but I still believe him, and do not doubt for an instant that cop could possibly be in the wrong on this issue, and I do not doubt that this cop acted this way.

He is not drawing conclusions about all cops saying that they are all bad because he has had a bad encounter, but you are drawing a conclusion that all cops are good by shutting out his experience because you have only had good encounters.

 

[Deep Purple]

QUOTE(Pinkyfrog @ Nov 2 2009, 12:56 AM) [snapback]425035[/snapback]
Anecdotal
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Again, anecdotal.


Um, in case you hadn't noticed, the stories by Goo, FOAP, and others are also anecdotal. Doesn't mean they aren't true, they may be. But they are anecdotal.

In my lifetime I've had 3 or 4 brushes with self-inflated cops suffering from what I call "God with a gun and an badge" syndrome, so I don't doubt we may have have a few of that kind working TCU games -- though in 15 years of attending our games, I've never come across one. Nothing but good experiences there, and have often traded jokes with several game-day cops.

The thing to do in these cases is what many here have already recommended. Don't complain on an internet board. Complain to people who can actually do something about it. Davis Babb is not the guy to complain to, and neither is the TCU Police Chief. The game-day cops don't work for them, so they can only forward the complaint up the line. Game-day police security and traffic control works for the Division of Student Affairs, which is headed by Vice Chancellor Don Mills. If we have bad cops working TCU games, he's the one who can actually do something about it.

Having said that, there's hardly a game-day goes by that I don't see myriads of fans doing things that are either completely self-centered or absolutely stoopid. Scores of fans crossing Stadium Drive in places that are not crosswalks, blocking already congested traffic. Drivers stopping in the middle of Stadium Drive to let off passengers or unload tailgating gear or simply talk to pedestrians they know or ask directions/instructions from cops or the CSC staff, further bottlenecking traffic. Cars pulling into clearly marked no-entry areas to unload or make a U-turn.

Routine crap like this has to make working TCU game-day traffic control an exasperating experience. I have little patience with "God with a gun and a badge"-type cops, but I have equally little patience with patrons who exhibit the "Me first and to hell with everybody else" attitude. And the latter is far more observable on game-day than the former.

 

[OmniscienceFrog]

QUOTE(HFrog1999 @ Nov 1 2009, 09:21 AM) [snapback]423823[/snapback]
one of the ones that works the West side is a client of my wife's



QUOTE(Bullneck @ Nov 1 2009, 09:36 PM) [snapback]424868[/snapback]
:blink:


:wub:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[OmniscienceFrog]

QUOTE(tcudoc @ Nov 1 2009, 10:05 PM) [snapback]424906[/snapback]
I saw one cop get totally out of line as a large group of pedestrians was crossing Stadium Dr. He didn't drop the F bomb, but he was cursing and screaming. I believe there was a reference to placing a boot in a certain orifice.


Wow, Red Foreman's doing traffic control at TCU football games these day's? He's gotta be pushing 80 these days.

 

[TopFrog]

QUOTE(Deep Purple @ Nov 2 2009, 03:03 AM) [snapback]425042[/snapback]
but I have equally little patience with patrons who exhibit the "Me first and to hell with everybody else" attitude. And the latter is far more observable on game-day than the former.


And this is Goo, based on his posts not only over the years, but is the example he showed two weeks ago with his attitude about inside the stadium, that it's about him first and everyone around him can kiss his arse and go to hell. He shows no respect for others. And this at his admitted 35 years of age with his children and wife with him.

If there is a cop in the street, at a driveway or a crosswalk, you need to wait for them or expect to get an admonishment for being an arse. Thery are trying to move vehicles and people safely so no one gets hurt.

If there's truly a bad cop working out there, then he should be removed. But I doubt any traffic cop is going to be an arse to anyone obeying his or her signals.

 

[dweller]

QUOTE(Bandwagon @ Nov 2 2009, 05:24 AM) [snapback]425018[/snapback]
Its like teachers claiming they 'wouldn't do it if they didn't get the summer off'. Give me a break. I know its rough dealing with youngsters for less than 8 hours a day, but a full 2 months off to recover in the summer? Not to mention fall, xmas and spring breaks. Wish I could get that from my job.

Feel free to volunteer, spend a few days substituing in a Middle School, or just volunteering in one of your local schools. I have and the first year was rough. But I love it now. It takes a lot of energy, patience to teach. It would surprise you.

 

[Goo]

QUOTE(TopFrog @ Nov 2 2009, 07:46 AM) [snapback]425088[/snapback]
And this is Goo, based on his posts not only over the years, but is the example he showed two weeks ago with his attitude about inside the stadium, that it's about him first and everyone around him can kiss his arse and go to hell. He shows no respect for others.


So now standing up to cheer the team....is no respect for others?... Jesus

QUOTE(TopFrog @ Nov 2 2009, 07:46 AM) [snapback]425088[/snapback]
If there is a cop in the street, at a driveway or a crosswalk, you need to wait for them or expect to get an admonishment for being an arse. Thery are trying to move vehicles and people safely so no one gets hurt.

If there's truly a bad cop working out there, then he should be removed. But I doubt any traffic cop is going to be an arse to anyone obeying his or her signals.


Have you not read the posts on here. Do I really needed to be cussed at for not asking permission to cross emtpy street? Does the other group need to be called "stupid" for walking on grass? Does tcudoc need to be told "get a boot up his [Deleted]." Does the other guy need to be cussed at for talking through the window to his girlfriend?

Come on.

 

[Goo]

QUOTE(Deep Purple @ Nov 2 2009, 02:03 AM) [snapback]425042[/snapback]
The thing to do in these cases is what many here have already recommended. Don't complain on an internet board. Complain to people who can actually do something about it. Davis Babb is not the guy to complain to, and neither is the TCU Police Chief. The game-day cops don't work for them, so they can only forward the complaint up the line. Game-day police security and traffic control works for the Division of Student Affairs, which is headed by Vice Chancellor Don Mills. If we have bad cops working TCU games, he's the one who can actually do something about it.


Oh dont' worry, I have his name and plan to spend the morning making calls. The post wasn't to complain, it was asking if others had the same experience. And apparantly alot of people at that intersection were also cussed at and threatened.

 

[Deep Purple]

QUOTE(Goo @ Nov 2 2009, 08:54 AM) [snapback]425130[/snapback]
And apparantly alot of people at that intersection were also cussed at and threatened.


Based on the percentage response here, no, "a lot" of people there haven't been abused. Just a relative few.

You really do like to have fun with numbers.

 

[Land Frog]

I will try to keep this short. I do not know Goo, but I did work as a cop for quite some time. There are usually two sides, if not more, to every story. I will not argue with Goo and I have not read the entire thread, but cops are there to serve the public.

Working game days and traffic/ crowd control can be easy, or difficult depending on your assignment. Most of the time it is an off-duty job that you pick up to supplement you income because your normal salary sucks. I dont know when the last time you had to strap on a bullet proof vest to go to work because you never know what is going to happen that day, but officers do this ever day they work. Every cop knows the main goal of the day is to make it home from work. When was the last time you had to worry about that?

Instead of all the cop bashing, try thanking one. It goes a long way to them. Law enforcement is a thank-less job. Most officers deal with less than 5%of the population. Violators, suspects etc. It is a rough job and can take a toll on a person.

Cops have to control situations and their actions should be determined by the situation. We are a society that lives by rules. Follow the rules, everything goes smoothly. But lets all add in respect and courtesy. Let the public respect officers and let officers respect the community.

Now I have something to ask from all KFCers, next time you see an officer, please thank them for the job that they do. It will make his/her day. In the numerous years I served, I can think of only a handfull of times where someone took an unrelated moment to say that. Thanks

 

[WatanabeFrog]

This is correct attitude to have. I did not always think this way. My parents lived in a small town outside Hiroshima, and were not treated well by the American military policemen in the post war occupation. This confused us as America was always the aggressor in the conflict, although they pretended that Nippon began the conflict at Pearl Harbor. Everyone of course is aware that Nippon was put in this position by illegal American blockades and aggressions toward the Mother Country.

When my parents moved to Tokyo and my father had a small business renting scooters for tourists, the American policemen would seemingly delight in taking the scooters without paying. Once even my father was stabbed with a fork by an American soldier when he tried to prevent this.

There has been much change in America. No longer is my family ridiculed as we walk the streets. And policemen for the most part allow is free passage. The Americans have come a long way in their development of their civilization in the last few decades. They now treat us very well in spite of the fact that Nippon now dominates the Americans and the world economically. Thank you for accepting us.

 

[allclearforfrogs]

QUOTE(WatanabeFrog @ Nov 2 2009, 03:26 PM) [snapback]425166[/snapback]
This is correct attitude to have. I did not always think this way. My parents lived in a small town outside Hiroshima, and were not treated well by the American military policemen in the post war occupation. This confused us as America was always the aggressor in the conflict, although they pretended that Nippon began the conflict at Pearl Harbor. Everyone of course is aware that Nippon was put in this position by illegal American blockades and aggressions toward the Mother Country.

When my parents moved to Tokyo and my father had a small business renting scooters for tourists, the American policemen would seemingly delight in taking the scooters without paying. Once even my father was stabbed with a fork by an American soldier when he tried to prevent this.

There has been much change in America. No longer is my family ridiculed as we walk the streets. And policemen for the most part allow is free passage. The Americans have come a long way in their development of their civilization in the last few decades. They now treat us very well in spite of the fact that Nippon now dominates the Americans and the world economically. Thank you for accepting us.


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[BABYFACE]

Damnit, I respect what our police officers do. They have a thankless job. Most of them are good people. But don't kid yourself if you think 100 percent are good. Every profession has it bad eggs, including cops. Hell they only reason I was perturbed, is because I was following a FWPD officer's orders only to have another yell at me for it. Excuse me, if that wouldn't frustrate or embarass you, especially in front of your children. I give credit to the cop that I was following his orders appologize for the mixup with the other cop. The two FWPD weren't on the same page. Mistakes happen and I am cool with that. My only beef is the other cop didn't have to be arse about it.

As for the I don't know excuse or explanation.:I don't blame people for being skeptics, but is also ludricous to not believe any post or what someone says because you don't personally know someone. Because if that is the case, then one cannot believe any post from someone that they don't know if we are all going to play that game.

 

[Goo]

QUOTE(BABYFACE @ Nov 2 2009, 10:12 AM) [snapback]425214[/snapback]
Damnit, i respect what our police officers do. They have a thankless job. Most of them are good people. But don't kid yourself if you think 100 percent are good. Every profession has it bad eggs including cops. Hell they only reason I was perturbed is because I was following a FWPD officer's orders only to have another yell at me for it. Excuse me, if that wouldn't frustrate or embarass you, especially in front of your children. I give credit to the cop that I was following his orders appologize for the mixup with the other cop. The two FWPD weren't on the same page. Mistakes happen and I am cool with that. My only beef is the other cop didn't have to be arse about it.

As for the I don't know excuse or explanation.:I don't blame when people are skeptics, but is also ludricous to not believe any post or what someone says because you don't personally know someone. Because if that is the case, then one cannot believe any post from someone that they don't know if we are all going to play that game.


So true. I completely appreciate officers and have actually thanked them on many occasions. FWIW, I also make a habit of thanking soldiers. (my brother was Marine Recon in Iraq so I have some understanding of the need to thank)

But, there is no excuse for an officer threatening to fight someone and cussing because they didn't ask permission to cross emtpy street. Especially with young kids.

Deep - I would say 5 people is alot. There are ~500 people on this board who post and for 5 of them to have had problems at same intersection. I would assume only 50 people on this board park at that school. So it is only 5, but considering how few people on here cross there, it seems pretty high. Heck, one should be enough to be a problem.

 

[Pinkyfrog]

QUOTE(Deep Purple @ Nov 2 2009, 02:03 AM) [snapback]425042[/snapback]
Um, in case you hadn't noticed, the stories by Goo, FOAP, and others are also anecdotal. Doesn't mean they aren't true, they may be. But they are anecdotal.


I know, I said they were all anecdotal, but Goo was not drawing conclusions about other officers with his experiences. On the other hand the other guy was, he was dismissing Goo's experience because he has never had it happen to him, that is a logical fallacy. I don't doubt for a minute that all these experiences here have happened to these people, but when you draw conclusions about what happened to other people because of what happened to you, you are illogical and your argument is invalid.

 

[Goo]

QUOTE(Pinkyfrog @ Nov 2 2009, 10:19 AM) [snapback]425220[/snapback]
I know, I said they were all anecdotal, but Goo was not drawing conclusions about other officers with his experiences. On the other hand the other guy was, he was dismissing Goo's experience because he has never had it happen to him, that is a logical fallacy. I don't doubt for a minute that all these experiences here have happened to these people, but when you draw conclusions about what happened to other people because of what happened to you, you are illogical and your argument is invalid.


Good point. The fact that Goo, FrogsonPlan, tcudoc, and BABYFACE......all had issues is telling. At some point, DEEP has to look at the facts logically.

Anyway, I just got off phone with Mayor Moncrief and I feel pretty good about solving the problem. Case Closed

 

[guerinrules]

The FWPD cop(s) out at the tennis court lot have always been cool.
Matbe it's because they have sympathy for us riff-raff that park out there.

 

[freebird]

QUOTE(landfrog @ Nov 2 2009, 10:09 AM) [snapback]425147[/snapback]
I will try to keep this short. I do not know Goo, but I did work as a cop for quite some time. There are usually two sides, if not more, to every story. I will not argue with Goo and I have not read the entire thread, but cops are there to serve the public.

Working game days and traffic/ crowd control can be easy, or difficult depending on your assignment. Most of the time it is an off-duty job that you pick up to supplement you income because your normal salary sucks. I dont know when the last time you had to strap on a bullet proof vest to go to work because you never know what is going to happen that day, but officers do this ever day they work. Every cop knows the main goal of the day is to make it home from work. When was the last time you had to worry about that?

Instead of all the cop bashing, try thanking one. It goes a long way to them. Law enforcement is a thank-less job. Most officers deal with less than 5%of the population. Violators, suspects etc. It is a rough job and can take a toll on a person.

Cops have to control situations and their actions should be determined by the situation. We are a society that lives by rules. Follow the rules, everything goes smoothly. But lets all add in respect and courtesy. Let the public respect officers and let officers respect the community.

Now I have something to ask from all KFCers, next time you see an officer, please thank them for the job that they do. It will make his/her day. In the numerous years I served, I can think of only a handfull of times where someone took an unrelated moment to say that. Thanks


Have friends who are lifer cops. They are some wonderful people. They will be the first to tell you how much things have changed. They say 50% of current cops are every bit as much criminal as those they arrest. 50% are good folks doing the right thing.
These guys can't wait to retire, they are shocked how far things have gone downhill in the last 10-15 years.
Sorry!
You no longer hold the respect of much of the community because your fellow brothers in blue have digressed to such a low level.
You have lost the respect and trust of many, some for a for a lifetime.
At one time I would have been the first one to stop ans assist or render aid, No longer, you guys blew it. Badges titles and guns are assigned, respect has to be earned.