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This does not surprise me!

Tim Griffin

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We left the idea of having our football (and/or men's basketball players) be accepted at TCU as if they were typical applicants likely 97 years ago +/- when we joined the SWC. In 1916, Southwestern left the SWC because they didn't want to offer scholarships and/or treat athletes differently than normal students. Without football and the SWC, TCU would likely be on par with Southwestern or a Texas Weslayan- a very small liberal arts school.

The kids in our revenue sports aren't necessarily here for TCU's great strength of its education although some surely are. I've been told by a large booster that our men's basketball program has floundered dismally over decades because we demand more academic performance than do our conference mates going back to the SWC- this was the biggest rub that the TCU administration had with Billy Tubbs.
absolutely agree that without football and the SWC TCU would not be a major university. The Disciples of Christ denomination could not support the school nearly as much as Baptists did Baylor or the Methodists did SMU. The last time I checked the annual contriubtion of the DoC to TCU was about 100 grand, maybe enough to pay the light bill for a week?
 

Eight

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Yesterday, I listened to an ex NFL player talk about his day in pro football and a report he wanted to make on his radio show.
One thing struck when he said he had interviewed ten college assistant coach's who said w/o hesitation, "yes I'll say 85 to 90% of the players today are not happy with the team they are playing for. For one reason or the other it ran from don't like the assistants, head coach, school, their playing time, fans and so on. Generally, everything. Most likely if they have that much unhappiness/depression, they don't like themselves either. Surprised...??? Just look at society, today.

consider the selection process involved in college recruiting

kids are getting their arses kids from a variety of people for some 3-4 years, promises are made, expectations built up, and then reality sets in with just days after they sign they process to recruit over the top of them kicks into high gear

will say our youngest who works for a big accounting firm says she saw a similar pattern pre-covid in their recruiting of talent
 

Endless Purple

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Do parents nowadays sit down and talk to their kids before it goes this far?
Yes. They probably discuss how great they are, which schools will get them the most proper amount of playing time (and TV time), and how to make the most of their chances for the NFL. Also, the new conversation has to include maximizing their young star's NIL money.

I only partially jest. There are some athletes on the education path.
 

MAcFroggy

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One issue is that it seems like 99% of players think they will go to the NFL or NBA. I remember when “last chance U” first came out, and all of the players on EMCC were talking like they should be at Alabama and halfway to the NFL.

The reality for 99% of college basketball and college football players is going to be totally different than their expectations.
 

Mean Purple

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I catch myself listening to ESPN U around 12 or 1:00 pm most often. These guys are pretty in-depth with their commentary on a variety of college football. Today for 15 minutes I listened to an interview with the HC coach of Cincinnati. Very, very impressive this guy!
I caught that same interview. Yeah, he's sharp. That show is a good one. Brock Huard and Ben Hartsock usually anchor/cohost that and almost every other day it seems they have a well known sports journalist helping cohost. Full Ride comes on before that and Packer's show comes on after. So it is 3 solid shows in a row.
 

Mean Purple

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One issue is that it seems like 99% of players think they will go to the NFL or NBA. I remember when “last chance U” first came out, and all of the players on EMCC were talking like they should be at Alabama and halfway to the NFL.

The reality for 99% of college basketball and college football players is going to be totally different than their expectations.
We had the chance to sit in a suite with a NFL player near the end of his career. This was about 9 years ago. He said that the vast majority of kids need to focus on what school they want to attend and graduate from, because they are not going pro. He said the amount of kids who think they are just seems to grow each year. Guy had a nice career and he was shocked when he made it to the NFL. He said the difference between even the Alabamas/Ohio States and the NFL is bigger than even the top draft picks can imagine.
 

Toad Jones

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We left the idea of having our football (and/or men's basketball players) be accepted at TCU as if they were typical applicants likely 97 years ago +/- when we joined the SWC. In 1916, Southwestern left the SWC because they didn't want to offer scholarships and/or treat athletes differently than normal students. Without football and the SWC, TCU would likely be on par with Southwestern or a Texas Weslayan- a very small liberal arts school.

The kids in our revenue sports aren't necessarily here for TCU's great strength of its education although some surely are. I've been told by a large booster that our men's basketball program has floundered dismally over decades because we demand more academic performance than do our conference mates going back to the SWC- this was the biggest rub that the TCU administration had with Billy Tubbs.
Now, we have what amounts to semi-payed athletics. (guess that depends on your popularity with some semi-paid athletes making seven figures) Some will argue that makes them an employee of the schools 'NIL Business Dept. and not under the same umbrellas' as a paid student. TCU has been slow in addressing problems of athlete vs paid student. This could get real interesting in the coming months. Remember, TCU gets vast support from alumni and corporations' for being a player in athletics. It certainly is a fine line. UT for instance has to me, made its choice will go with what-ever-it takes to win (for the sake of money). Wonder what their thoughts are for semi-paid athletes and required attendance and grades. Maybe like many schools if your an athlete, sign up for archery, sewing etc and don't worry about classes, and get a faux degree, just play football and win.
Next step I bet will be a scouting dept for, football, basketball, baseball etc. That means more money for athletic budgets and if you put a poor product on the court, diamond, field etc, money may be a bit harder to finance these new depts and multi-million dollar coaching contracts. Hell, if Vic has any sense, he'll retire tomorrow before the crap hits the fan.
 

Toad Jones

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We had the chance to sit in a suite with a NFL player near the end of his career. This was about 9 years ago. He said that the vast majority of kids need to focus on what school they want to attend and graduate from, because they are not going pro. He said the amount of kids who think they are just seems to grow each year. Guy had a nice career and he was shocked when he made it to the NFL. He said the difference between even the Alabamas/Ohio States and the NFL is bigger than even the top draft picks can imagine.
Yes and by tomorrow then dream comes back. In short I don't want to hear that now, maybe I'll think about it when I'm 31.
 

Toad Jones

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Okay, listen to this, one guest said yesterday or today college football is on its way out! (as in no more, only pro) It's eating itself up from within, b/c of unfounded stupid leadership who want more money for stupid leadership. (allowing NIL etc.) Hv you checked lately what a chancellor make today in compensation? Well, someone has to approve these changes and salaries.
 

Mean Purple

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Okay, listen to this, one guest said yesterday or today college football is on its way out! (as in no more, only pro) It's eating itself up from within, b/c of unfounded stupid leadership who want more money for stupid leadership. (allowing NIL etc.) Hv you checked lately what a chancellor make today in compensation? Well, someone has to approve these changes and salaries.
I think that is a worry most have had for the past few years. The NIL issue just sent it out. Gotta wonder if the FCS division will just get more attention for having "real student athletes".
 

YA

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We left the idea of having our football (and/or men's basketball players) be accepted at TCU as if they were typical applicants likely 97 years ago +/- when we joined the SWC. In 1916, Southwestern left the SWC because they didn't want to offer scholarships and/or treat athletes differently than normal students. Without football and the SWC, TCU would likely be on par with Southwestern or a Texas Weslayan- a very small liberal arts school.

The kids in our revenue sports aren't necessarily here for TCU's great strength of its education although some surely are. I've been told by a large booster that our men's basketball program has floundered dismally over decades because we demand more academic performance than do our conference mates going back to the SWC- this was the biggest rub that the TCU administration had with Billy Tubbs.
We make kids go to class versus most of our peers that let kids take correspondence or online classes. Hell some kids at ut and Aggie never even set foot in a classroom.
 

Bob Sugar

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Yesterday, I listened to an ex NFL player talk about his day in pro football and a report he wanted to make on his radio show.
One thing struck when he said he had interviewed ten college assistant coach's who said w/o hesitation, "yes I'll say 85 to 90% of the players today are not happy with the team they are playing for. For one reason or the other it ran from don't like the assistants, head coach, school, their playing time, fans and so on. Generally, everything. Most likely if they have that much unhappiness/depression, they don't like themselves either. Surprised...??? Just look at society, today.
It's almost like...*checks notes*... pretty much every other adult in the working class.
 

Relic

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Maybe instead of having students take the SAT to get into college, they should have to pass it--say 1400?--to get their diploma, especially if an athlete...
 

asleep003

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Q: Hv we created this as parents?? !!
These kids who enter the transfer portal. Don't know what the number on kids entering the portal only to sit and have their dreams smashes and put their education put down. What was it Tom Brady said yesterday, I no longer have the competitive discipline to continue playing. Many of these kids I think are looking for an excuse to the parents and friends to halt that competitive discipline required and really don't care at this point about their education. They just want to bail out on themselves and hope someone will guide them to vocation experiences. What that's called, socialism?
WTH ?#?%?$?&?
 

TCUdirtbag

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Maybe instead of having students take the SAT to get into college, they should have to pass it--say 1400?--to get their diploma, especially if an athlete...

Most no longer have to take the SAT to get into college.

 

asleep003

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Maybe instead of having students take the SAT to get into college, they should have to pass it--say 1400?--to get their diploma, especially if an athlete...
What a stupid remark, Relic ... why athletes(more than other students)... considering how much required of their non classroom/study time.
 
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