tmcats
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these sorts of arguments filter through all of law. but laws and courts are necessary in a civil society. codifying house would set standards for behavior that have never existed in the game.
The House Settlement (Officially Paying Players)
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You seem to be changing the subject.
As for Ohio State, they'd have to do something REALLY egregious to get the death penalty. Besides, there's been like one death penalty handed out in the last 50 years? You make it sound like every time SMU and Boise cheat (and I'm sure they "cheat" just like everyone else does), they get the death penalty.
The only way to truly level the playing field is to go full NFL and have a draft and very limited free agency, which isn't happening. Trying to enforce a cap is futile because it will be completely unenforceable. I don't even want them to try. If you stop letting kids transfer every year, a cap would be completely unnecessary, let 'em make whatever they can. If boosters are stupid enough to throw $50,000,000 at a kid, who cares.
An-Cap Frog
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I don't think I am changing the subject. The main contention is how to you enforce any rule or guideline within college athletics? Which is exactly what you are saying above. Enforcement of the cap is futile. Unless you are ready to punish a Blue Blood in a meaningful way, enforcement is hollow...and I'm not talking about the prayer app.
Alos, I still think that we need to pressure all conferences to adopt a 9-game conference schedule.
Frog Attack II
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If you can be "hired" and "paid" as an employee, are there contracts? Are there performance reviews and conduct standards? Can you be fired ? Can you try to unionize? I have so many questions.
An-Cap Frog
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Health insurance, retirement benefits, workers' comp???
Doesn't make one bit of difference whether if it's a "blue blood" or not, I don't know why people get so hung up on that. Everyone cheats to some degree. Is Clemson a blue blood? Is Colorado a blue blood?
There is no sense in even having rules if you can't enforce them, and that is the situation here. What you can do (theoretically, but I guess it's illegal, which makes no sense to me) is have a rule that says if you transfer to another school, you must sit out one season. That's easily enforeceable and fixes 90% of the problems they are having with all of this. Instead they focus on other crap.
An-Cap Frog
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My point with the blue bloods is with any rule it will be selectively enforced. I can't see them trying to punish a big brand. That is like suspending Caitlin Clark.
I agree that the sit out rule is enforceable. You could have on the field penalties assessed for illegal participation.
Whatever. That's not much different than people thinking blue bloods get all the benefit of the doubt with calls made on the field, which they clearly don't. You see what you want to see. Now, it would take a hell of a violation for Ohio State or Michigan to get the death penalty, but that goes for most any P4 school anyway (and probably G5 programs as well), because when you do that you're hurting not the only the offending team but you're negatively effecting a whole lot of other things as well.
Penn State and USC got punished pretty good in the past decade, so let's not pretend that big brands didn't/don't even get punished. The difference is that big brands can bounce back a lot easier from whatever punishment they receive because they are big brands with a ton of resources, fans, and money.
An-Cap Frog
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I did not bring up the death penalty to be used specifically, I used it in place of any punishment. It could have just as easily been a bowl ban...regardless, we are on the same side.
You bring up a good point, a blue blood is basically immune from any punishment, meaning there is disproportionate justice for violators.
Mean Purple
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One thing you can do is monetize the development, exposure and brand that you offer the players. And for that matter, the education.
Deduct it. There are very few, very very few, freshman ready for the NFL. Time to remind them of that.
They aren't immune from punishment, they can just recover from their punishment more easily, and there is no way anyone enforcing the rules should take that into account when doling out punishment, because it is impossible to quantify. That'd be like telling officials to always make calls in favor of the less talented team because they are at a disadvantage to begin with.
JAB331
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Basketball only schools be like...
Aaand it has begun: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...etball-transfer-portal-class-rankings-2025-26
St John’s is leading the way
JAB331
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SMU is soooo screwed…
gohornedfrogs
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Well, if you take CBS News at their word, they said that schools will be able to decide how to doll out the money and predicted it will go mostly to football and basketball.
I see some Title IX problems there. The other problem I see is if this recent settlement included giving money to the non-revenue athletes, then they are going to have a hard time NOT giving them money in this new world because the schools could face lawsuits.
It's unbelievable that this is where we are in college sports. Lawsuits, settlements, possible unions, taxation, athletes becoming employees, sports possibly being cut. All because providing $200K+ educational opportunities wasn't "fair" enough. And now the politicians will get even more involved. What could possibly go wrong?
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The TCU Football Jerk
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The proof is in the pudding. I want to see it. But I suppose they'll have to pass the bill before they can know what's in it.
tmcats
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yes, the house settlement provides for contracts between athletes and their schools.
tmcats
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college athletics have changed dramatically from what we saw when paul hornung was the heisman winner, roger staubach, johnny rodgers, tony dorsett, herschel walker, and the rest. this is the new reality. athletes will be paid. the toothpaste is out of the tube. a big difference now - it will be above the table.
we can try to put guardrails around it, as everyone has asked, or let the games collapse. this house settlement is a first step, perhaps only the foundation. as i've written before, i believe it will take congressional codification to put teeth in it strong enough to withstand the cheats.
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hiphopfroggy
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Nope this is free market at work.
Not really.
If it was truly a free market, the universities and the NCAA could rule how they see fit and then the players could then choose to not play college football if they wanted and go find out how much they make playing in their own league that they create. The universities would hold all the value in a free market because without them, none of this exists. Every D1 football player could quit tomorrow and they'd be replaced in a about a week and most of the money would keep rolling in. However if all the P4 universities decided they weren't going to be sponsor football anymore, the players wouldn't be able to make jack [ Finebaum ].
There really is no such thing as a "free market".
