Dogfrog
Active Member
They volunteered to play under contract for a scholarship, a chance at a degree, room and board, and a remote shot at professionalism. Nobody forced them. It was not slavery.
The House Settlement (Officially Paying Players)
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NovaScotiaFrog
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And it turns out that at least some of the conditions of that deal were illegal, hence the need for a Supreme Court ruling in a multi-billion dollar settlement.
Dogfrog
Active Member
Lawfare. TCU tuition, room & board is about $82k per year. Not bad for 18-22 year olds.
hometown frog
Active Member
And nobody is forcing any school to revenue share per the house settlement or provide any collectives. So again, your complaint is that the players now get a cut of the revenue their skills provided for a lot of other adults for decades.
Dogfrog
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No, my only complaint is that maybe the greatest sport ever, college football, is in jeopardy of imploding. It’s a shame. Glad you enjoy it.
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hometown frog
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Student athletes sharing 20.something million from their schools isn’t imploding the sport at all. It’s a budget adjustment some schools are going to have to account for. You may think it’s terrible and yearn for the old days where students just shut up and played and bled and injured themselves for other peoples enjoyment. But a lot of us continue to enjoy the game and are actually happy the players and finally getting a chance to profit from their efforts.
gohornedfrogs
Tier 1
And yet here we are. Is this better?
To say the kids never got any benefit is ridiculous. Do you know how many people are doctors, lawyers, business owners, professionals, etc. because an athletic scholarship gave them an opportunity they might not have had?
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Dogfrog
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I have season tickets for football, basketball, and baseball for many years. Nobody enjoys it more than me. If you think this is all on a healthy path, I’m happy for you. Maybe it will work out. Edit: By the way is being a student still a requirement or is it optional?
TxFrog1999
The Man Behind The Curtain
Good question. If the college is paying them far outside the typical rate of a student worker then aren't they considered staff? I wonder what the IRS will say about all of this?
An-Cap Frog
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Some QBs got free crab legs!
Limey Frog
Full Member
Yes, but you can't take a billion dollars a year in TV money and not get sued to death for withholding it from the people who actually make it. CFB should not have taken the money. But no one ever doesn't take the money.
I don't mind paying the players, it's just that every other thing they've done in governing the game has been anti-competitive and ruinously stupid.
Their skills didn’t provide for anything. The stage the adults created for them is what provided everyone everything they got. The players are entirely replaceable.
gohornedfrogs
Tier 1
Yes, their governing of the game has been ruinously stupid. It all ties back to the 1984 case when Georgia and OU sued the NCAA. At that point, the NCAA lost all control and ceded it to the universities, who then ceded it to the conferences themselves. This led to O'Bannon. And now the mess we've created.
We are quickly getting into a situation where you have some athletes making $5 million plus, while others, who are responsible for keeping those multi-million dollar athletes from getting hurt (and are partially responsible for their success), are only making five figures. This is not a sustainable model. Something will break. This happened in the NFL (and every other pro sport for the most part) -- and their response was a player's union.
And this is good for college athletics, where 99% of them will enter the business world upon graduation and should be preparing themselves for that phase of their life?
If we are going to pay the athletes, then at least provide some long-term structure to the money they get. Defer some of the money to be used for retirement and health care. If you can't see the potential downstream effects of 18 year olds owning Lamborghinis and having the ability to rent private jets on a whim, then you've lost the plot. What could possibly go wrong?
gohornedfrogs
Tier 1
For what it’s worth, I do interface with college athletics departments in my job. Outside of the SEC and B1G, this is not true. Many are scrambling to meet this 20 million cap and still take care of their other fiscal commitments to stay relevant. Many ADs have had to have very frank conversations with their boards about whether or not they can make this commitment.
Big Frog II
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It is scary to think what is going to happen, and it will, to many of these players who grew up poor suddenly have all this money without any idea on earth how to handle it. It happens to pro players already and they have some guidance through agents. Right now there are no safeguards for college players what so ever. Many of these college players could be set for life if they had real guidance. Sadly it will be blown before they finish their eligibility. Then here come the tax man.
gohornedfrogs
Tier 1
Just laughing, thinking about the annual performance reviews of the athletes, ergo staff members, if this was the case.
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gohornedfrogs
Tier 1
I like that you put some thought into this. However, the average D1 athletic department has around 480 student athletes.
tmcats
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Bryan Seeley, a former assistant U.S. attorney who has served for more than a decade as MLB's vice president of investigations and deputy general counsel, has been announced as the CEO of the College Sports Commission, college sports' new enforcement entity. yahoo
what we have here with the house settlement is an enforcement arm that will address things like third party nil payments, school/player contracts, cap restrictions, and the like. this fellow, seeley, is heading it up. his authority will rest under rules set by the college sports commission which schools have agreed to abide by.
the second phase now is for congress to codify the house settlement so that violations will be of federal law, not just conference (csc) rules. five senators have been working on this legislation. i think it's the reason trump put his saban thing on hold.
watching this unfold gives me some hope for the future. yes, it will be different with pay2play. but at least it will be with enforceable rules rather than laisse-faire as we have today.
what we have here with the house settlement is an enforcement arm that will address things like third party nil payments, school/player contracts, cap restrictions, and the like. this fellow, seeley, is heading it up. his authority will rest under rules set by the college sports commission which schools have agreed to abide by.
the second phase now is for congress to codify the house settlement so that violations will be of federal law, not just conference (csc) rules. five senators have been working on this legislation. i think it's the reason trump put his saban thing on hold.
watching this unfold gives me some hope for the future. yes, it will be different with pay2play. but at least it will be with enforceable rules rather than laisse-faire as we have today.
gohornedfrogs
Tier 1
This is good news. The NCAA never had subpoena power, so they were feckless in enforcement.
