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What Up Toad

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CountryFrog said:
I am suggesting that.

Here's another problem with the whole hate crime thing. It seems to assume that if the killer hates Jewish people and then goes out and kills a bunch of Jewish people then perhaps if a hypothetical world existed where there were no Jewish people then this person wouldn't have committed that crime. It's a if the crime wouldn't be happening but for the fact that there is a hate for Jews that exists in the world but of course there's no evidence to back this up. It seems much more likely that a person whose heart is filled with hate is likely to find a person or group of people to point that hate towards no matter what. If all Jewish people suddenly disappeared from the planet tomorrow then this person would not simply go on living a normal life. They would re-direct their hate towards Muslims, or Christians, or people who wear red shirts. Much like people who are addicted to cigarettes wouldn't simply go on living otherwise normal lives if suddenly all cigarettes disappeared from the planet. They would need to fill that void with eating more food, chewing gum, exercising more, something. Because the issue isn't actually the cigarettes, it's the chemical addiction inside the person's brain to those cigarettes.

Probably getting too deep into areas of which neither of us are experts but ultimately my point is that a killer is a killer. Whether they are targeting young women, people of a certain religion, or random people ultimately they are not being driven to kill by hate but are much more likely being driven to hate by the same brain chemistry that is driving them to murder. And more importantly these are all things that really no one fully understands, much less lawyers and juries so why we are trying to prove hate as driving intent is mind boggling to me and ultimately meaningless. Except of course for the political currency that it can carry for certain people.
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During the Vietnam war, there was a huge concern with the number of soldiers that were using heroin overseas. But, when they got back, virtually all of them dropped it cold turkey. They didn't seek out heroin or find a different drug. The environment was the main factor causing them to use, and when they got out of that environment, they stopped.

England used to have a high number of housewives committing suicide by sticking their heads in their ovens. Most people assumed that these women would find a different way to commit suicide if they couldn't use the ovens, but when England changed their gas mixture, suicide rates plummeted. The US had the same phenomena occur with car exhaust suicides; when women didn't have the option of a peaceful death by carbon monoxide poisoning, they just didn't commit suicide.

Kansas City also found that if they focused their policing on the areas that had high levels of crime, the crime didn't migrate to other areas. New York found that if they policed red light districts, many of the prostitutes found other jobs rather than relocate and find new clientele. When grocery stores got rid of candy/gum by check out lines, stealing went down. For many people, they commit crimes or have vices that are convenient.

Supposedly many professional race car drivers have the same brain makeup as serial killers in that they don't get the same levels of adrenaline from risky activities that most of us do. The difference is that serial killers tend to grow up in households where they're the victims of domestic violence while drivers grow up with supportive families.
 
CountryFrog

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What Up Toad said:
During the Vietnam war, there was a huge concern with the number of soldiers that were using heroin overseas. But, when they got back, virtually all of them dropped it cold turkey. They didn't seek out heroin or find a different drug. The environment was the main factor causing them to use, and when they got out of that environment, they stopped.

England used to have a high number of housewives committing suicide by sticking their heads in their ovens. Most people assumed that these women would find a different way to commit suicide if they couldn't use the ovens, but when England changed their gas mixture, suicide rates plummeted. The US had the same phenomena occur with car exhaust suicides; when women didn't have the option of a peaceful death by carbon monoxide poisoning, they just didn't commit suicide.

Kansas City also found that if they focused their policing on the areas that had high levels of crime, the crime didn't migrate to other areas. New York found that if they policed red light districts, many of the prostitutes found other jobs rather than relocate and find new clientele. When grocery stores got rid of candy/gum by check out lines, stealing went down. For many people, they commit crimes or have vices that are convenient.

Supposedly many professional race car drivers have the same brain makeup as serial killers in that they don't get the same levels of adrenaline from risky activities that most of us do. The difference is that serial killers tend to grow up in households where they're the victims of domestic violence while drivers grow up with supportive families.
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