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Wow. That’s shocking. And even more shocking I didn’t already know that we are so far off base compared to the world. Got damn
UK second highest on quick perusal of the map at 21%. They have very low gun violence, though.
Meanwhile, a lot of the highest per capita firearm related deaths are in central, the Caribbean and south America which have a relative lower rate of single parent homes
 

TCUdirtbag

Active Member
Still waiting for the law that would’ve stopped the shooting…

No one can definitively state with complete certainty. But the shooter turned 18 on May 16. He bought an AR on May 17. 375 rounds of ammo on May 18. And another AR on May 20. All purchased legally. He took one of them into the school with him yesterday May 24. The last day of school was to be today or tomorrow.

Some options that could have had an impact:

1) 1990s-like assault weapon ban
2) Raise the purchase age to 21 (firearms are the leading cause of death among children and teens)
3) 10 or 30 day waiting periods
Etc.

We aren’t powerless to try and slow this epidemic.
 
Background checks only work if reported violence is charged and recorded for those checks to see. But, every measure and "common sense" reform I've read today being put forward are nothing more than treating the symptom. This young man was violent, he had a history of abuse of others, and no amount of gun laws would have cured him of his violent behavior.

You want to know why this is happening more and more? Look at our family and culture. There is a reason why generations in the past had school shooting clubs and allowed students to bring rifles in their vehicles and why that is an insane proposal today. The gun didn't change, the lethality of the tool didn't change, the students changed. Why? Answer that question and you'll find the solution to this problem.

Until then all of these measures are nothing more than putting a bandaid on a festering wound. If we're unwilling to address the root problem then yes, the ONLY "logical" solution moving forward is the complete authoritarian control of the populace... for our own "safety and a security."
Amen. This goes further. The root causes of many of our society’s problems begin with the erosion of family values and the home as a foundational center of development.
 

FrogUltimate

Active Member
UK second highest on quick perusal of the map at 21%. They have very low gun violence, though.
Meanwhile, a lot of the highest per capita firearm related deaths are in central, the Caribbean and south America which have a relative lower rate of single parent homes
Yeh the UK caught my attention.

In regards to Central America we are talking about a totally separate issue and set of circumstances. Almost entirely poverty induced gang/cartel violence.
 

TCUdirtbag

Active Member
After thinking on it overnight, I feel the path forward is through significant changes to school safety/security.

An interesting conclusion given the facts that have emerged. Multiple “good guys with a gun” vs a guy that bought his AR last week and crashed through the school’s security.
 

TxFrog1999

The Man Behind The Curtain
Not a doctor, but I believe treating the symptoms while trying to figure out the cure to the disease is not a bad strategy.
Sure, that logic works, but only if you're actively working to figure out the root cause. Schumer's tweet and the addition of more background checks to the legislative calendar is evidence that the leadership of one party wants to only use this tragedy to boost voter turnout in November and not address the underlying issue.
 

FrogUltimate

Active Member
An interesting conclusion given the facts that have emerged. Multiple “good guys with a gun” vs a guy that bought his AR last week and crashed through the school’s security.
One good guy with a pistol vs guy with a rifle.

And the only reason this thing stopped is because one good guy with a gun ran inside and breached the classroom without backup and engaged in a close range shootout where he killed the shooter while getting shot himself.

Please share your suggestion tho, I’m interested. I read the article and it was fine, but none of those will stop most of these events
 

hiphopfroggy

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FrogUltimate

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Make it illegal for 18 year olds with mental illness to purchase Assault Rifles seems like a good place to start.
While the mental illness is a little hard to track and identify, there’s no way in hell that someone known to the police through frequent visits due to domestic violence issues should ever have access to weapons. Not to mention the freaking FBI and CIA
 

TxFrog1999

The Man Behind The Curtain
While the mental illness is a little hard to track and identify, there’s no way in hell that someone known to the police through frequent visits due to domestic violence issues should ever have access to weapons. Not to mention the freaking FBI and CIA
If law enforcement wasn't permitted to charge him, no amount of changes to background checks would have made a difference.
 

hiphopfroggy

Active Member
18 USC 922 already makes this illegal. Not just assault rifles, but all firearms and ammunition
Reports are saying that he bought 2 AR's legally the day after his 18th birthday.

Ramos legally brought two AR-style rifles just days before the attack, soon after his 18th birthday, state senators briefed by law enforcement said.

One of the guns was purchased at a federally licensed dealer in the Uvalde area on May 17, according to Sen. John Whitmire. Ramos bought 375 rounds of ammunition the next day, then purchased the second rifle on May 20.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683
 
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