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frogtwang

frogtwang

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gohornedfrogs said:
Ok. Let’s start over. Please give us your definition of “overthrow the government.”

Because what I saw looked like it had a plan kinda like a dog has when it chases a car.
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There were several dogs just reacting and following along, they got swept up in the insurrection.
But the guys carrying nylon cuffs, bringing materials to build a gallows, placing IEDs, etc. They had a plan.
 
HFrog1999

HFrog1999

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gohornedfrogs said:
Ok. Let’s start over. Please give us your definition of “overthrow the government.”

Because what I saw looked like it had a plan kinda like a dog has when it chases a car.
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gohornedfrogs

gohornedfrogs

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TCUdirtbag said:
Okay then. What was the intent of the mob? The ones that killed a cop while breaking into the Capitol? The ones that smashed glass, broke down doors? Broke into the chambers carrying zip ties? Searching specifically for Pelosi/her office? The ones calling to hang Pence? The ones calling for gallows?

Absolutely some, likely the great majority, were there to peacefully protest and then got swept up into the chaos (evident from the people walking around filming the Capitol like tourists). But it’s not arguable that a significant number within the mob were acting on far more nefarious motives. It is not possible that you could have read/watched the accounts of what happened inside that building and reconcile that with a claim that there weren’t people there trying to effect the overthrow of a duly-elected government. Are we really to assume the timing—during the electoral vote count—and the hunting of Pelosi and Schumer and even Pence, were just coincidences?
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it was an insurrection -- a violent uprising against an authority or government. I have no doubt there were a large number of angry, disillusioned people there with very bad intentions. They wanted to hurt and some even kill people, but mostly to violently vent their frustrations (I'm not justifying their frustrations, by the way).

To describe it as an attempt to overthrow the government is comical, though. Smashing glass, breaking down doors and using zip ties? That's the worst plan to overthrow a government in history by a landslide. But I'm sure the US military, the FBI and the entire law enforcement community would have just handed over the keys to the kingdom as soon as that Buffalo Dude smashed Pelosi's gavel down and proclaimed Trump the president.
 
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flyfishingfrog

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frogtwang said:
There were several dogs just reacting and following along, they got swept up in the insurrection.
But the guys carrying nylon cuffs, bringing materials to build a gallows, placing IEDs, etc. They had a plan.
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So I would agree they had a plan - a real short sighted one - but can you tell me which one you think was going to actually overthrow the government? and what that means to you?

Sitting in the chair at the Oval Office doesn't make you the President. The guy in Pelosi's chair and whoever took her laptop doesn't get to be Speaker.

Let me be really specific so you can process this - if all of Congress suddenly stopped existing like some Avenger movie - it would not result in overthrowing our government. Our country and government system is more than the 535 self absorbed idiots we have all elected to serve.

If you occupied the White House and the Capital for a year - it would not result in an overthrow of our government.

Again - this kind of statement is one made by a person who has NEVER bothered to research what an actual government takeover looks like when it happens in other countries.

And it doesn't happen with a gang of misfit toys with 5 guns between them....
 
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flyfishingfrog

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gohornedfrogs said:
it was an insurrection -- a violent uprising against an authority or government. I have no doubt there were a large number of angry, disillusioned people there with very bad intentions. They wanted to hurt and some even kill people, but mostly to violently vent their frustrations (I'm not justifying their frustrations, by the way).

To describe it as an attempt to overthrow the government is comical, though. Smashing glass, breaking down doors and using zip ties? That's the worst plan to overthrow a government in history by a landslide. But I'm sure the US military, the FBI and the entire law enforcement community would have just handed over the keys to the kingdom as soon as that Buffalo Dude smashed Pelosi's gavel down and proclaimed Trump the president.
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I am guessing our military was going to run and hide much like the members of the $52 million in Security and Protection Detail our country spends each year on the Capital....maybe even someone with a camera could run in front of them and get everyone to stop and pose for pics while the overthrow happens.

The "Overthrow" rhetoric is so dumb and I seriously can't believe people can't see it is just to help drive the control through hate narrative that drives all politics in DC today.
 
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frogtwang

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flyfishingfrog said:
So I would agree they had a plan - a real short sighted one - but can you tell me which one you think was going to actually overthrow the government? and what that means to you?

Sitting in the chair at the Oval Office doesn't make you the President. The guy in Pelosi's chair and whoever took her laptop doesn't get to be Speaker.

Let me be really specific so you can process this - if all of Congress suddenly stopped existing like some Avenger movie - it would not result in overthrowing our government. Our country and government system is more than the 535 self absorbed idiots we have all elected to serve.

If you occupied the White House and the Capital for a year - it would not result in an overthrow of our government.

Again - this kind of statement is one made by a person who has NEVER bothered to research what an actual government takeover looks like when it happens in other countries.

And it doesn't happen with a gang of misfit toys with 5 guns between them....
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The personal rancor reflected in that remark I don't intend to dignify with comment. But I will say that I never claimed it was a good plan or that it would actually work.
 
KillerFrog InD KitchenSink

KillerFrog InD KitchenSink

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gohornedfrogs said:
it was an insurrection -- a violent uprising against an authority or government. I have no doubt there were a large number of angry, disillusioned people there with very bad intentions. They wanted to hurt and some even kill people, but mostly to violently vent their frustrations (I'm not justifying their frustrations, by the way).

To describe it as an attempt to overthrow the government is comical, though. Smashing glass, breaking down doors and using zip ties? That's the worst plan to overthrow a government in history by a landslide. But I'm sure the US military, the FBI and the entire law enforcement community would have just handed over the keys to the kingdom as soon as that Buffalo Dude smashed Pelosi's gavel down and proclaimed Trump the president.
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I thought like that the day it happened, but not so sure what would have happened had they gotten into the chamber while in session. What would have happened had the mob actually seen the people they are convinced are evil and are ruining our country face to face with little law enforcement on the scene? NYT with a timeline and graphic showing how close they were and how out of control the situation was:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
 
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Eight

Eight

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HFrog1999 said:
I wonder if the Truth and Reconciliation Camps will have TVs where we can watch TCU games?

WaPo’s Robinson: Trump Supporters ‘Need to Be Deprogrammed’
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/01/12/wapos-robinson-trump-supporters-need-to-be-deprogrammed/

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this paragraph is absolutely stunning

"“I don’t. I’m a journalist. I don’t know how we can stop people,” Hannah-Jones replied. “I know we can look to history, though. What ultimately breaks that power structure in the South is enforcement, right? There has to be consequences. And then once you get those consequences, I think people have to take a second look at their actions. And they have to be much more afraid to do the types of kind of violence that we saw last week.” "

what is most interesting is that again and again people miss what this really is about and that with all that happened joe biden wasn't swept in by some overwhelming populous voter margin.

joe totaled roughly 7M more in the popular vote than trump but consider two numbers. roughly 2M people voted for other candidates meaning they didn't vote for joe and the margin in california was over 5M which infers to me that across of much of the rest of the country roughly half the people were for joe and the other half opposed him.

time to put away this rhetoric for the good of the country
 
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flyfishingfrog

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TCUdirtbag said:
So you can’t, or you won’t, answer the straightforward question.

Meanwhile, on the “unite and move on without reflection or accountability” beat: https://t.co/LN5grOeUIM
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I think his point was only a total moron that literally can’t think for themselves and needs the news and Democratic leaders to tell them what to think would actually consider that band of misfits with 5 weapons between them an actual threat to our government worth talking about for days and days an days in our government instead of actually running the country

unless of course as a leader you had no intention of getting stuff done in the first place and can redirect focus on this so it increases the divide upon which your power is built
 
Eight

Eight

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flyfishingfrog said:
I think his point was only a total moron that literally can’t think for themselves and needs the news and Democratic leaders to tell them what to think would actually consider that band of misfits with 5 weapons between them an actual threat to our government worth talking about for days and days an days in our government instead of actually running the country

unless of course as a leader you had no intention of getting stuff done in the first place and can redirect focus on this so it increases the divide upon which your power is built
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so kyrie irving for example
 

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