The Harris/Biden Administration: Coming Together to Build Back Better

[LSU Game Attendee]

Hopefully by doing virtually nothing, just like most every single President. Small change here, small change there. The biggest impact they could have is with another round of strict lockdowns.

Do not think such meager counter-revolutionary thoughts. The wise and benevolent leaders of the Federal Government and FAANG, whose benevolence is only outshone by their wisdom, have more information and know best.

Onward to a new harmony with Gaia, equitable equity and joyous justice together where we, through strict obedience, can eradicate America's heinous history of colonialism, oppression, the crutch of organized religion, and cow farts.

 

[flyfishingfrog]

Not sure how much the needle will move in a 50/50 senate. Up to Manchin and other moderates.



All filed under “return to a slightly watered down version of the Obama-era regulatory scheme.”

what is your basis for this belief?

the democratic party is more extreme left today than it was by a long shot during Obama's administration, taxing the rich and rolling back Trumps tax changes were key platforms for both Biden and his VP, he has a ton of things he has to pay for and they are BIG, BIG, BIG ticket items - which requires revenue or debt, the options for "green" energy are more numerous and frankly a lot more real even if not really that viable on their own and short of using a filibuster every time legislation comes up - 50/50 is control when the VP is a democrat.

Plus Obama spent all his political capital on Obama-care and Biden-care will require about 10% of that effort since the foundation is laid and he just wants to go back to taxing people that don't have a plan and making a few other small changes.

Plus frankly the left hates the right and vice-versa in a way we have never seen before in our country.

I think you are going to be in a for a shock if you think Biden's administration is going to be Obama-lite....

 

[Wexahu]

Didn't know where to put this, but OMG!!! Climate change has caused over $75 billion in flood damage over the last 30 years! I mean, is that bad? Because it's sounds like almost a rounding error to me. To put it another way, just this latest round of $600 stimulus checks will cost 2X what flood damage has cost over the past three decades. And there are a bunch of congressman who want to spend more than 3X that.

Was this article supposed to get me really worried about climate change? Because if it was, it didn't.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/cli...e-us-billions-of-dollars-in-flood-damage.html

 

[Bob Sugar]

#cometogether

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...ng-trump-spread-big-lie-about-election-fraud/


Joe Biden likens Ted Cruz to Nazi propagandist Goebbels for helping Trump spread ‘big lie’ about election fraud

 

[LVH]

It's anybody's guess as to what legislation we will get, but I am fairly certain we are going to see the executive branch weaponized to "fight COVID".

For example, the Department of Transportation headed by Buttigieg will be the primary mask enforcers and will enforce COVID passports if it comes to that.

Another example is the Department of Labor is going to impose pretty draconian "work safety" laws on businesses when it comes to COVID testing, "COVID safety" requirements, and forcing businesses to not only shut down even if one employee tests positive, but also fully pay all employees if it comes to that.

 

[Eight]

#cometogether

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...ng-trump-spread-big-lie-about-election-fraud/


Joe Biden likens Ted Cruz to Nazi propagandist Goebbels for helping Trump spread ‘big lie’ about election fraud

not very smart so maybe some of the more enlightened on this site can explain to me exactly how the president elect comparing a sitting us senator to joseph goebbels will work towards biden's supposed goal of reuniting this country after the term of the most "divisive" president ever if i accurately recall the campaign rhetoric

 

[HFrog1999]

I’m really looking forward to getting yelled at for the next 4 years. I think it will bring us all together in beautiful unity

 

[gohornedfrogs]

Added my thoughts in response to yours, in red. A few other things I think happen fast:

- I would also expect significant rollback of Trump era regulations across the board: EPA, Education, and Labor, specifically. Two examples:

The recent independent contractor classification final rule out of DOL will he rapidly challenged in court and they will start the rule making process under the APA.

Education will quickly announce new rule making for Title IX at colleges and universities. I suspect they may first launch a process just for rescission and follow that with a second process for new rule making.

Thank you for destroying Finance Frog's bit about Republicans wanting to regulate everything.

 

[HFrog1999]

Get to the back of the line lady! You don’t need any help!

 

[TCUdirtbag]

what is your basis for this belief?

A very basic understanding of the legislative process, senate rules requiring 60 votes for the biggest legislation, and implications of having Joe Manchin (and yet TBD but possibly more moderate Sinema and Kelly and King) as a necessary vote for any single piece of legislation that can go through with 50+1.

the democratic party is more extreme left today than it was by a long shot during Obama's administration, taxing the rich and rolling back Trumps tax changes were key platforms for both Biden and his VP, he has a ton of things he has to pay for and they are BIG, BIG, BIG ticket items - which requires revenue or debt, the options for "green" energy are more numerous and frankly a lot more real even if not really that viable on their own and short of using a filibuster every time legislation comes up - 50/50 is control when the VP is a democrat.

Plus Obama spent all his political capital on Obama-care and Biden-care will require about 10% of that effort since the foundation is laid and he just wants to go back to taxing people that don't have a plan and making a few other small changes.

Plus frankly the left hates the right and vice-versa in a way we have never seen before in our country.

I think you are going to be in a for a shock if you think Biden's administration is going to be Obama-lite....

I guess we’ll find out. I agree that the center of the party has shifted left. But IMO you are completely ignoring the realistic implications of needing every democrat in the senate to do anything, and the need to get 10 republicans to do most big things.

 

[TCUdirtbag]

Thank you for destroying Finance Frog's bit about Republicans wanting to regulate everything.

Didn’t pay attention to that exchange. No doubt in my mind Democrats generally want to regulate more facets of the economy and environment than republicans do. But I don’t mean to say that republicans don’t love to regulate the things they want to.

 

[flyfishingfrog]

A very basic understanding of the legislative process, senate rules requiring 60 votes for the biggest legislation, and implications of having Joe Manchin (and yet TBD but possibly more moderate Sinema and Kelly and King) as a necessary vote for any single piece of legislation that can go through with 50+1.



I guess we’ll find out. I agree that the center of the party has shifted left. But IMO you are completely ignoring the realistic implications of needing every democrat in the senate to do anything, and the need to get 10 republicans to do most big things.

You do realize that 60 votes are only required to close debate and call for a vote - and passing only requires a simple majority?

And that with the current process for cloture, filibusters are almost impossible to sustain long enough to stop a vote from ever happening

so don’t get your point about needing 60 votes unless you really do expect every bill to be filibustered by the Republicans

 

[HFrog1999]

https://townhall.com/columnists/andrewpollack/2021/01/10/get-ready-for-the-biden-gun-grab-n2582867

Get Ready for the Biden Gun Grab
Andrew Pollack | Jan 10, 2021 12:01 AM


The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Townhall.com.

Source: AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster


Democrats now have single-party control of the federal government. President Joe Biden styled himself as the most moderate candidate his party had to offer. And still, during the campaign he promised to put Beto O’Rourke – the man who blurted out “Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15s” in charge of his administration’s gun policies.

 

[TCUdirtbag]

so don’t get your point about needing 60 votes unless you really do expect every bill to be filibustered by the Republicans

Yes, I fully expect every significant Democratic policy bill to be filibustered by republicans. It’s incredibly easy. Both parties have been doing it for the last decade+. With a 50/50 senate, name 10 senators that will join democrats to push big center-left policies over the hump? I can’t get further than infrastructure or minimum wage. And those are a reach.

ACA will be tweaked through budget reconciliation. And I’d expect some tax code revisions through it as well. Here’s a primer on the process FYI https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/p...s-make-budget-reconciliation-a-potential-tool

But the liberal fever dream — and whatever the reverse of that is going on in some conservatives’ head — ain’t happening. No green new deal. No dramatic changes in gun laws. No defending the police. No codifying Roe. No packing the Court. No PR statehood (and DC incredibly unlikely). No new voting rights act. Etc., etc.

 

[TCUdirtbag]

I’m sure most of the republicans will dispute this, but FYI this is exactly how you sound to virtually all Democrats, a majority of independents, and even a few republicans.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3686

 

[gohornedfrogs]

Overthrow the government?

For crying out loud.

That doesn’t marginalize what happened — it was disgraceful and people should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I guess if I was president and wanted to overthrow the government, as commander-in-chief, I think I could have found enough military force to make that happen.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

I’m sure most of the republicans will dispute this, but FYI this is exactly how you sound to virtually all Democrats, a majority of independents, and even a few republicans.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3686

We sound like a Quinnipiac poll?

 

[flyfishingfrog]

I’m sure most of the republicans will dispute this, but FYI this is exactly how you sound to virtually all Democrats, a majority of independents, and even a few republicans.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3686

well at least we have a poll that helps identified the truly stupid people in our country.....

Or maybe just the ones that were dumb enough to believe the Democrats had any interest in "healing" to begin with...

There was never any interest in fixing things with the divide - the stupidity of the horned idiot and Beevus/Butthead just gives them all an excuse to not even bother to try.

There actions are as empty as Trumps were when he said the same crap....

 

[Wexahu]

well at least we have a poll that helps identified the truly stupid people in our country.....

Or maybe just the ones that were dumb enough to believe the Democrats had any interest in "healing" to begin with...

There was never any interest in fixing things with the divide - the stupidity of the horned idiot and Beevus/Butthead just gives them all an excuse to not even bother to try.

There actions are as empty as Trumps were when he said the same crap....

I think some pretty strict term limits might be the only hope anything changes, but that’ll never happen and I’m not sure it would work anyway. Politics it seems is basically all about creating division and trying to capitalize

 

[TCUdirtbag]

Overthrow the government?

For crying out loud.

That doesn’t marginalize what happened — it was disgraceful and people should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I guess if I was president and wanted to overthrow the government, as commander-in-chief, I think I could have found enough military force to make that happen.

Okay then. What was the intent of the mob? The ones that killed a cop while breaking into the Capitol? The ones that smashed glass, broke down doors? Broke into the chambers carrying zip ties? Searching specifically for Pelosi/her office? The ones calling to hang Pence? The ones calling for gallows?

Absolutely some, likely the great majority, were there to peacefully protest and then got swept up into the chaos (evident from the people walking around filming the Capitol like tourists). But it’s not arguable that a significant number within the mob were acting on far more nefarious motives. It is not possible that you could have read/watched the accounts of what happened inside that building and reconcile that with a claim that there weren’t people there trying to effect the overthrow of a duly-elected government. Are we really to assume the timing—during the electoral vote count—and the hunting of Pelosi and Schumer and even Pence, were just coincidences?