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NORMLFROG

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It’s a sad day when members of an athletic conference have to pay “tribute” to other members for the privilege of playing them. This conference is a pathetic piece of garbage and all of the schools should be massively humiliated for the way they positioned themselves.
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gdu

gdu

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QUOTE(NORMLFROG @ Jun 15 2010, 01:22 PM) [snapback]579896[/snapback]
It’s a sad day when members of an athletic conference have to pay “tribute” to other members for the privilege of playing them. This conference is a pathetic piece of garbage and all of the schools should be massively humiliated for the way they positioned themselves.
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Hat tip to texastechfan over at raiderpower.com

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They aren't obligated to do it if they don't want to. Plenty of conferences would take Tech and not charge them. Why don't they go there? Oh, right...
 
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bruinsbold

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It’s a sad day when members of an athletic conference have to pay “tribute” to other members for the privilege of playing them. This conference is a pathetic piece of garbage and all of the schools should be massively humiliated for the way they positioned themselves.


I understand Tech being upset they weren't able to ride UTs coattails to the Big Pac, but they would have been paying "tribute" in that conference, too. UT was only going to the Big Pac if they got an oversized portion of revenues.

For the other five, 36 hours ago we were looking at under $1mil/yr TV contract in ConfUSA or $1.3mil/yr in MWC and $0 to $15M buyout proceeds..
Estimated 10 Year Gross Value = $28M

Today we are looking at $14M/YR Min. TV Contract in Big12-2 and $0 buyout proceeds.
Estimated 10 Year Gross Value = $140M+++

+++ and this excludes Bowl money, NCAA Tourney money, extra ticket revenues, extra concession sales from higher attendance, merchandising, etc, etc...

Sure, UT, OU, and A&M get a bigger slice. Shoot, they deserve it. If Tech stumbles in football, they have absolutely NOTHING else to offer. Neither basketball team is worth anything, their baseball team is questionable to bad... What exactly makes Tech a prize horse to be rewarded?

Baylor has the third most conference championships in the past 7 years in the Big XII. Our football team has been terrible, but that's getting better and our basketball team is among the leaders nationally now. Our baseball team was in Omaha in 2005 and is annually in the NCAA tourney. Our WBB team won a national title and is a regular contender for conference and national championships.

The gnashing of teeth from Tech fans isn't rational thought, it's the result of a fictional universe in which they somehow approach UT in building a conference.
 
713frog

713frog

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Stuart Mandel of SI:


Unbelievable. The five "leftovers" (KU, KSU, ISU, BU, Mizzou) agreed to sign over their share of CU/NU's buyout money to UT/OU/A&M.
 
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y2kFrog

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QUOTE(The Main @ Jun 15 2010, 10:51 AM) [snapback]579964[/snapback]
Stuart Mandel of SI:
Unbelievable. The five "leftovers" (KU, KSU, ISU, BU, Mizzou) agreed to sign over their share of CU/NU's buyout money to UT/OU/A&M.

They are not really that dumb, are they????
 
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bruinsbold

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QUOTE(The Main @ Jun 15 2010, 01:51 PM) [snapback]579964[/snapback]
Stuart Mandel of SI:


Unbelievable. The five "leftovers" (KU, KSU, ISU, BU, Mizzou) agreed to sign over their share of CU/NU's buyout money to UT/OU/A&M.



Stu is wrong on this. The other five teams agreed to concede FUTURE buyout money from the new Big XII conference. The new buyout penalties are said to be $30mil and a portion of annual revenues.
 
gdu

gdu

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QUOTE(The Main @ Jun 15 2010, 01:51 PM) [snapback]579964[/snapback]
Stuart Mandel of SI:
Unbelievable. The five "leftovers" (KU, KSU, ISU, BU, Mizzou) agreed to sign over their share of CU/NU's buyout money to UT/OU/A&M.

Terrible idea, but they don't really have a choice. They were literally begging not to be left behind.
 
roddog

roddog

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QUOTE(bruinsbold @ Jun 15 2010, 06:51 PM) [snapback]579958[/snapback]
I understand Tech being upset they weren't able to ride UTs coattails to the Big Pac, but they would have been paying "tribute" in that conference, too. UT was only going to the Big Pac if they got an oversized portion of revenues.

For the other five, 36 hours ago we were looking at under $1mil/yr TV contract in ConfUSA or $1.3mil/yr in MWC and $0 to $15M buyout proceeds..
Estimated 10 Year Gross Value = $28M

Today we are looking at $14M/YR Min. TV Contract in Big12-2 and $0 buyout proceeds.
Estimated 10 Year Gross Value = $140M+++

+++ and this excludes Bowl money, NCAA Tourney money, extra ticket revenues, extra concession sales from higher attendance, merchandising, etc, etc...

Sure, UT, OU, and A&M get a bigger slice. Shoot, they deserve it. If Tech stumbles in football, they have absolutely NOTHING else to offer. Neither basketball team is worth anything, their baseball team is questionable to bad... What exactly makes Tech a prize horse to be rewarded?

Baylor has the third most conference championships in the past 7 years in the Big XII. Our football team has been terrible, but that's getting better and our basketball team is among the leaders nationally now. Our baseball team was in Omaha in 2005 and is annually in the NCAA tourney. Our WBB team won a national title and is a regular contender for conference and national championships.

The gnashing of teeth from Tech fans isn't rational thought, it's the result of a fictional universe in which they somehow approach UT in building a conference.


good grief, a week ago 5 days ago baywhore was about to be left on the curb and now they are trying to rationalize how derserving they are, isnt baywhore 0-15 v tech in the big 12 :blink: , even tcu has beat tech more than baywhore lmao
 
roddog

roddog

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QUOTE(NORMLFROG @ Jun 15 2010, 06:22 PM) [snapback]579896[/snapback]
It’s a sad day when members of an athletic conference have to pay “tribute” to other members for the privilege of playing them. This conference is a pathetic piece of garbage and all of the schools should be massively humiliated for the way they positioned themselves.
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Hat tip to texastechfan over at raiderpower.com

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whats next, are the yankees gonna ask tampa bay and toronto to pay them to stay in the al east :rolleyes:
 
gdu

gdu

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QUOTE(IamFroglash88 @ Jun 15 2010, 01:55 PM) [snapback]579972[/snapback]
Would the PAC1? consider Tech as their 12th member?

Not a chance IMO.
 
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bruinsbold

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QUOTE(roddog @ Jun 15 2010, 02:00 PM) [snapback]579991[/snapback]
good grief, a week ago 5 days ago baywhore was about to be left on the curb and now they are trying to rationalize how derserving they are, isnt baywhore 0-15 v tech in the big 12 :blink: , even tcu has beat tech more than baywhore lmao



Did you read my post? I plainly stated that Baylor FOOTBALL isn't deserving. That's why we are in the position we are in.

The fact that Tech can't accept the fact that they have so much less to offer than UT, A&M, and OU is sad, but it doesn't make them right. And if Tech football stumbles (as could easily happen with Tuberville), then they have nothing to offer ANY conference, even the MWC.

And really, say Tech said they didn't want in on this deal, so what? First off, where will they go? Pac-10? They don't have an invite without UT. SEC? Laughable. MWC? If they are willing to give up $15-16MILLION every year to prove that they are a big boy, then they should do it. The Big XII will pick up BYU and move right along.

Even if all the doomsday scenarios that you guys are hoping will happen (now that it's sure that you aren't being invited, that is) and the conference collapses in two years, Tech will have picked up around $30million more than they would have if they went to a lesser conference.

This is all posturing. They don't have an invite anywhere they would want to go, so they act like they do so it's not as obvious. Tech's recent football success (which is substantial) earned them Tier 2 status (which is more than their academics can say), but that's all they offer.
 
Frognosticator

Frognosticator

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QUOTE(bruinsbold @ Jun 15 2010, 02:51 PM) [snapback]579958[/snapback]
Our football team has been terrible, but that's getting better and our basketball team is among the leaders nationally now.


Bruinsbold, can you explain to me, with facts please, how your football team is getting better and how your basketball team, after one NCAA tournament, is "among the leaders nationally"? I just don't see it. Please explain.

This is not a flame. I would appreciate your point of view.

Thanks.
 
Hoosierfrog

Hoosierfrog

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QUOTE(bruinsbold @ Jun 15 2010, 03:07 PM) [snapback]580013[/snapback]
Did you read my post? I plainly stated that Baylor FOOTBALL isn't deserving. That's why we are in the position we are in.

The fact that Tech can't accept the fact that they have so much less to offer than UT, A&M, and OU is sad, but it doesn't make them right. And if Tech football stumbles (as could easily happen with Tuberville), then they have nothing to offer ANY conference, even the MWC.

And really, say Tech said they didn't want in on this deal, so what? First off, where will they go? Pac-10? They don't have an invite without UT. SEC? Laughable. MWC? If they are willing to give up $15-16MILLION every year to prove that they are a big boy, then they should do it. The Big XII will pick up BYU and move right along.

Even if all the doomsday scenarios that you guys are hoping will happen (now that it's sure that you aren't being invited, that is) and the conference collapses in two years, Tech will have picked up around $30million more than they would have if they went to a lesser conference.

This is all posturing. They don't have an invite anywhere they would want to go, so they act like they do so it's not as obvious. Tech's recent football success (which is substantial) earned them Tier 2 status (which is more than their academics can say), but that's all they offer.


What? Do you think anythng but football is being considered in all this? This is football and nothing but football. Nobody cares about Baylor's women's BB any more than TCU going to Omaha means anything in this mix.
 
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bruinsbold

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QUOTE(Hoosierfrog @ Jun 15 2010, 02:26 PM) [snapback]580053[/snapback]
What? Do you think anythng but football is being considered in all this? This is football and nothing but football. Nobody cares about Baylor's women's BB any more than TCU going to Omaha means anything in this mix.



Exactly. So if Tech Football stumbles (get ready), then what do they bring to the table? Nothing. A&M football struggles, they are still averaging 75k/game. UT struggles, they are still putting 80k in the stands and selling millions of dollars in apparel. Tech struggles and their fan support will evaporate. Assuming that Tech is going to keep this success going is ignoring the fact that the architect of the success was just fired.
 
gdu

gdu

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QUOTE(bruinsbold @ Jun 15 2010, 02:32 PM) [snapback]580062[/snapback]
Exactly. So if Tech Football stumbles (get ready), then what do they bring to the table? Nothing. A&M football struggles, they are still averaging 75k/game. UT struggles, they are still putting 80k in the stands and selling millions of dollars in apparel. Tech struggles and their fan support will evaporate. Assuming that Tech is going to keep this success going is ignoring the fact that the architect of the success was just fired.

Same thing as baylor, an easy win, only with more fans.
 
713frog

713frog

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QUOTE(bruinsbold @ Jun 15 2010, 02:32 PM) [snapback]580062[/snapback]
Exactly. So if Tech Football stumbles (get ready), then what do they bring to the table? Nothing. A&M football struggles, they are still averaging 75k/game. UT struggles, they are still putting 80k in the stands and selling millions of dollars in apparel. Tech struggles and their fan support will evaporate. Assuming that Tech is going to keep this success going is ignoring the fact that the architect of the success was just fired.



i dunno. prob nothing else better to do on saturdays in lubbock than to hit up the games and get wasted...regardless of tech's record
 
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bruinsbold

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QUOTE(Frognosticator @ Jun 15 2010, 02:22 PM) [snapback]580043[/snapback]
Bruinsbold, can you explain to me, with facts please, how your football team is getting better and how your basketball team, after one NCAA tournament, is "among the leaders nationally"? I just don't see it. Please explain.

This is not a flame. I would appreciate your point of view.

Thanks.


Football - Hired Art Briles and signed Robert Griffin. Recruiting has improved immensely and training program is night and day from under previous staffs. It's widely acknowledged that Baylor football is improving, I'm kinda surprised you'd even question it.

Basketball - It was our second NCAA tournament in three years (the other year we were in the championship game of the NIT) and we went to the Elite Eight. That's not just an appearance.

Andy Katz had us ranked #4 in the nation in his preseason poll and we are bringing in Perry Jones to replace Udoh. We are considered a challenger for the Big XII and National Title in 2010-2011. I believe we were slotted as a 1 or a 2 seed in the first (admittedly very early) bracketology. I'd say we were up there.
 
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bruinsbold

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QUOTE(tcugdu @ Jun 15 2010, 02:35 PM) [snapback]580063[/snapback]
Same thing as baylor, an easy win, only with more fans.



Exactly, so why are they pretending that they bring anything else? They don't. They are lucky they managed to hold onto Leach as long as they did, or they wouldn't be considered Tier 2. You've just made my point.
 

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