TCU on SI: TCU's Star Running Back was Noticeably Absent in the Win over West Virginia

[TopFrog]

TCU's Star Running Back was Noticeably Absent in the Win over West Virginia​

The Horned Frogs went with a different approach on the ground in Saturday's win.​

Zion Trammell

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The TCU Horned Frogs walked away with a narrow 23-17 victory on Saturday against the West Virginia Mountaineers. It's been well documented of TCU's struggles against West Virginia since joining the Big 12, and despite the wide skill gap, that was no different on Saturday.

As the temperatures continued to get colder in Morgantown, so did the Frogs' offense. TCU accumulated 156 total yards in the second half and mustered three points. The defense had to pick up the slack to shut the door on this game.

It's been a common theme for this offensive unit on the road. They struggled in Tempe against Arizona State and in Manhattan against Kansas State. An offense that looks surgical at Amon G. Carter stadium struggles with their identity away from Fort Worth.

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[82 Frog Fever]

Can you imagine a team where the OC only hands the ball to a RB 37% of the time, yet the RBs average 4.99 yards per carry with -0- fumbles lost?

TCU RBs = 204 carries for 1,017 yds with 11 TDs and -0- fumbles lost.
…..but TCU can’t run the ball???

 

[ShreveFrog]

Gotta believe Barnes is nicked up and obviously the coaches don’t wanna say. But I’m not complaining about Battle. I say again that he’d be a great change-up package in a direct snap RPO, though I’ve yet to see him throw a pass in college.

 

[y2kFrog]

He reported that it wasn’t an injury, but that doesn’t make it true. They’ve been nursing him for weeks, and I think we’re just trying to get to the bye week and finally get him closer to 100%.

 

[Big Frog II]

This off week will do him and the rest of the team a lot of good.

 

[Frog Attack II]

Proud of Battle... He's come in and done some great work... Lots of little things and a key contributor to the teams 6-2 record.

 

[Wexahu]

Can you imagine a team where the OC only hands the ball to a RB 37% of the time, yet the RBs average 4.99 yards per carry with -0- fumbles lost?

TCU RBs = 204 carries for 1,017 yds with 11 TDs and -0- fumbles lost.
…..but TCU can’t run the ball???

I think the fact that the RBs average 4.99 yards per carry is precisely because they don't get a ton of carries. My eyes tell me when I watch our games that we would have a lot of trouble just lining up and giving it to RBs on half the plays, and be successful doing that.

But for people like you who wake up thinking of stuff to [ hundin] about, we don't run the ball near enough. I remember early in the season when everyone was complaining about how we couldn't even run it against an FCS team and our O-line couldn't run block to save it's life, and it was Briles fault we didn't have a good running game.

 

[Wexahu]

Proud of Battle... He's come in and done some great work... Lots of little things and a key contributor to the teams 6-2 record.

Stuck through a lot here, and I think he's always been a little underappreciated, seems to me like whenever he's been in throughout his career he's been a solid player. I too am glad he's getting some good PT.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

I think the fact that the RBs average 4.99 yards per carry is precisely because they don't get a ton of carries. My eyes tell me when I watch our games that we would have a lot of trouble just lining up and giving it to RBs on half the plays, and be successful doing that.

But for people like you who wake up thinking of stuff to [ hundin] about, we don't run the ball near enough. I remember early in the season when everyone was complaining about how we couldn't even run it against an FCS team and our O-line couldn't run block to save it's life, and it was Briles fault we didn't have a good running game.

You’re a moron and your eyes are lying to you.

BOTH OF OUR LOSSES ARE DUE TO PASSING WAY TOO MUCH!!!

ASU LOSS:
** — 2nd Qtr TCU 17 ASU 10
The last 3 TCU drives of the 2nd Qtr. = -0- 1st Downs for -11 yards total
6 Passes / 2 Rushes
ASU scores a TD off the 1st of those 3 drives to get within 3 points.

** — 3rd Qtr TCU 17 ASU 14
TCU 3rd & goal Hoover throws an INTERCEPTION.
TCU fails to score and ASU kicks a Field Goal. At least a 6 point turnaround.

** — 4th Qtr TCU 24 ASU 24
Hoover back to pass, SACKED, FUMBLED at TCU’s 15 yd line.
ASU kicks a FG. ASU leads by 3.

** — 4th Qtr TCU 24 ASU 27 00:44 remaining
Hoover back to pass. INTERCEPTED at TCU‘s 34 yd line.
GAME OVER!

— TCU BLOWS a 17 point lead.
In a game where Hoover had a QBR of 38.6, the RBs only had 15 rushes total.

I’ve already proven the 1st 3 drives of the 2nd half in the KSU game, where Briles abandoned the run game, was the reason TCU lost.

 

[Wexahu]

You’re a moron and your eyes are lying to you.

BOTH OF OUR LOSSES ARE DUE TO PASSING WAY TOO MUCH!!!

ASU LOSS:
** — 2nd Qtr TCU 17 ASU 10
The last 3 TCU drives of the 2nd Qtr. = -0- 1st Downs for -11 yards total
6 Passes / 2 Rushes
ASU scores a TD off the 1st of those 3 drives

** — 3rd Qtr TCU 17 ASU 14
TCU 3rd & goal Hoover throws an INTERCEPTION.
TCU fails to score and ASU kicks a Field Goal. At least a 6 point turnaround.

** — 4th Qtr TCU 24 ASU 24
Hoover back to pass, SACKED, FUMBLED at TCU’s 15 yd line.
ASU kicks a FG. ASU leads by 3.

** — 4th Qtr TCU 24 ASU 27 00:44 remaining
Hoover back to pass. INTERCEPTED at TCU‘s 34 yd line.
GAME OVER!

— TCU BLOWS a 17 point lead.
In a game where Hoover had a QBR of 38.6, the RBs only had 15 rushes total.

I’ve already proven the 1st 3 drives of the 2nd half in the KSU game, where Briles abandoned the run game, was the reason TCU lost.

Ok, let's look at that ASU game.

Last three drives of the 2nd quarter:
Drive #1 - Ran the ball on 1st down for -1 yard setting up a 2nd and 11. 2-yard completion on 2nd down setting up a 3rd and 9. Incomplete on 3rd down.
Drive #2 - 3-yard completion on 1st down setting up a 2nd and 7. False start setting up 2nd and 12. Sacked on 3rd down. Ok, I guess we should have run it on 2nd and 12, that would've made everyone happy.
Drive #3 - 45 seconds left from our own 26 yard line. I guess we should have just run the ball and scored, LOL.

So right off the bat, when you complain that we didn't run the ball enough on our last three drives of the 2nd quarter, it's a misrepresentation of what actually happened given the game situations.

On to the third quarter drive where Hoover threw an INT.....the first five plays of that drive were:

1st and 10 - 5-yard pass completion
2nd and 5 - 6-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 32-yard pass completion
1st and Goal form the 6 - minus-1 yard run
2nd and Goal from the 7 - pass incomplete
3rd and Goal from the 7 - pass interception

The next drive of the 3rd quarter:
1st and 10 - 11-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - pass incomplete
2nd and 10 - 5-yard pass completion
3rd and 5 - 7-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 21 yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 20 yard pass completion
1st and goal - 0 yard run
2nd and goal - 1 yard run for TD

First drive of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 - minus 1 yard run
2nd and 11 - 6 yard pass completion
3rd and 5 - incomplete pass

Second drive of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 - sacked for 3-yard loss
2nd and 13 - 10-yard run
3rd and 3 - 11 yard pass completion
1st and 10 - sacked for 10-yard loss
2nd and 20 - incomplete pass
3rd and 20 - sack for 9 yard loss

Yeah, we ran passed the ball on 1st down a couple times, but the last few drives we had been shredding them through the air and getting stuffed on the last three runs. Sometimes passing on first down is what you do. So basically, your representation of what occurred in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and first half of the 4th when we blew the lead were complete, total BS.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

Ok, let's look at that ASU game.

Last three drives of the 2nd quarter:
Drive #1 - Ran the ball on 1st down for -1 yard setting up a 2nd and 11. 2-yard completion on 2nd down setting up a 3rd and 9. Incomplete on 3rd down.
Drive #2 - 3-yard completion on 1st down setting up a 2nd and 7. False start setting up 2nd and 12. Sacked on 3rd down. Ok, I guess we should have run it on 2nd and 12, that would've made everyone happy.
Drive #3 - 45 seconds left from our own 26 yard line. I guess we should have just run the ball and scored, LOL.

So right off the bat, when you complain that we didn't run the ball enough on our last three drives of the 2nd quarter, it's a misrepresentation of what actually happened given the game situations.

On to the third quarter drive where Hoover threw an INT.....the first five plays of that drive were:

1st and 10 - 5-yard pass completion
2nd and 5 - 6-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 32-yard pass completion
1st and Goal form the 6 - minus-1 yard run
2nd and Goal from the 7 - pass incomplete
3rd and Goal from the 7 - pass interception

The next drive of the 3rd quarter:
1st and 10 - 11-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - pass incomplete
2nd and 10 - 5-yard pass completion
3rd and 5 - 7-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 21 yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 20 yard pass completion
1st and goal - 0 yard run
2nd and goal - 1 yard run for TD

First drive of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 - minus 1 yard run
2nd and 11 - 6 yard pass completion
3rd and 5 - incomplete pass

Second drive of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 - sacked for 3-yard loss
2nd and 13 - 10-yard run
3rd and 3 - 11 yard pass completion
1st and 10 - sacked for 10-yard loss
2nd and 20 - incomplete pass
3rd and 20 - sack for 9 yard loss

Yeah, we ran passed the ball on 1st down a couple times, but the last few drives we had been shredding them through the air and getting stuffed on the last three runs. Sometimes passing on first down is what you do. So basically, your representation of what occurred in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and first half of the 4th when we blew the lead were complete, total BS.

2 interceptions and a Sack QB fumble that resulted in a 9 to 13 point difference are not BS. They are the reason we lost the game.
The 3Q drive you reference for a TD was mostly passes & took less than 3 minutes off the clock. We lost time of possession 24 minutes to 35 minutes, which gassed our defense and was a big contributor to our loss.
OTOH RBs have -0- fumble turnovers this year & they eat clock to keep the D fresh and win games.

 

[Wexahu]

2 interceptions and a Sack QB fumble that resulted in a 9 to 13 point difference are not BS. They are the reason we lost the game.
The 3Q drive you reference for a TD was mostly passes & took less than 3 minutes off the clock. We lost time of possession 24 minutes to 35 minutes, which gassed our defense and was a big contributor to our loss.
OTOH RBs have -0- fumble turnovers this year & they eat clock to keep the D fresh and win games.

Nice deflect.

So a drive for a TD is a big reason why we lost the game. LOL.

1st drive of the game......run on first down for minus a yard. end up punting.

3rd drive of the game where we go up 14-0 on the 7-yard TD run.......3-yard run, incompletion, 14-yard pass, 9-yard pass, 17-yard pass, -3 yard run, 39-yard pass. If you think we're scoring on those possessions without throwing the ball you're delusional. And yet every time something bad happens on a passing play, you blame it on not running the ball.

You're a jackass.

 

[Wexahu]

Can you imagine a team where the OC only hands the ball to a RB 37% of the time, yet the RBs average 4.99 yards per carry with -0- fumbles lost?

TCU RBs = 204 carries for 1,017 yds with 11 TDs and -0- fumbles lost.
…..but TCU can’t run the ball???

Texas A&M's RBs average 5.79 ypc and the Aggies only hand the ball off to a RB 37% of the time.
Cincinnati's RBs average 5.85 ypc and the Bearcats only hand the ball off to a RB 37% of the time.
Utah's RBs average 5.95 ypc and the Utah only hand the ball off to a RB...get this....32% of the time.
Vanderbilts' RBs average 7.31 ypc and they only hand the ball off to a RB 28% of the time.

Maybe all these team's RBs are fumbling machines, but yes, I can imagine a team where an OC does that. It's not uncommon at all. They all average almost a full yard per carry (Vandy way more than that) more than us and yet don't give it to their RBs any more.

Should I keep exposing all the crap you spew as just that, or are we done?

 

[Putt4Purple]

Ok, let's look at that ASU game.

Last three drives of the 2nd quarter:
Drive #1 - Ran the ball on 1st down for -1 yard setting up a 2nd and 11. 2-yard completion on 2nd down setting up a 3rd and 9. Incomplete on 3rd down.
Drive #2 - 3-yard completion on 1st down setting up a 2nd and 7. False start setting up 2nd and 12. Sacked on 3rd down. Ok, I guess we should have run it on 2nd and 12, that would've made everyone happy.
Drive #3 - 45 seconds left from our own 26 yard line. I guess we should have just run the ball and scored, LOL.

So right off the bat, when you complain that we didn't run the ball enough on our last three drives of the 2nd quarter, it's a misrepresentation of what actually happened given the game situations.

On to the third quarter drive where Hoover threw an INT.....the first five plays of that drive were:

1st and 10 - 5-yard pass completion
2nd and 5 - 6-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 32-yard pass completion
1st and Goal form the 6 - minus-1 yard run
2nd and Goal from the 7 - pass incomplete
3rd and Goal from the 7 - pass interception

The next drive of the 3rd quarter:
1st and 10 - 11-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - pass incomplete
2nd and 10 - 5-yard pass completion
3rd and 5 - 7-yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 21 yard pass completion
1st and 10 - 20 yard pass completion
1st and goal - 0 yard run
2nd and goal - 1 yard run for TD

First drive of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 - minus 1 yard run
2nd and 11 - 6 yard pass completion
3rd and 5 - incomplete pass

Second drive of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 - sacked for 3-yard loss
2nd and 13 - 10-yard run
3rd and 3 - 11 yard pass completion
1st and 10 - sacked for 10-yard loss
2nd and 20 - incomplete pass
3rd and 20 - sack for 9 yard loss

Yeah, we ran passed the ball on 1st down a couple times, but the last few drives we had been shredding them through the air and getting stuffed on the last three runs. Sometimes passing on first down is what you do. So basically, your representation of what occurred in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and first half of the 4th when we blew the lead were complete, total BS.

I’m with 82 Frog!

 

[Wexahu]

I’m with 82 Frog!

LOL.

You're the one who posted "forget the OC. He’s pass happy and always will be. Daddy taught him well." If you think Art and Kendal are "pass happy", that shows how uninformed and ignorant you are. Just off the charts, head in the sand, not having a clue about what you're talking about stupidity. Good for you.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

Texas A&M's RBs average 5.79 ypc and the Aggies only hand the ball off to a RB 37% of the time.
Cincinnati's RBs average 5.85 ypc and the Bearcats only hand the ball off to a RB 37% of the time.
Utah's RBs average 5.95 ypc and the Utah only hand the ball off to a RB...get this....32% of the time.
Vanderbilts' RBs average 7.31 ypc and they only hand the ball off to a RB 28% of the time.

Maybe all these team's RBs are fumbling machines, but yes, I can imagine a team where an OC does that. It's not uncommon at all. They all average almost a full yard per carry (Vandy way more than that) more than us and yet don't give it to their RBs any more.

Should I keep exposing all the crap you spew as just that, or are we done?

Please keep going, as you’re proving to be a triggered nut job that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

You will never understand the importance of running and protecting the football while owning time of possession. It’s obviously way too advanced for your limited aptitude.
But I will educate you one last time; then I’m done with your idiocy.

* BTW, Texas A&M is a full blown RPO offense with a running QB that has the 3rd most carries on the team. Texas A&M runs the football 58% of the time.
TCU is NOT an RPO offense! Hoover running the ball is a joke!

Let‘s keep this short with the Top 3 AP/AFCA teams.
Every Top 3 team runs more than passes, protects the football, and owns time of possession

Top 3 ranked teams:
1) Ohio State
Passing Att. 205
Rushing Att. 232 - (53%)
Fumbles Lost 1
Time of Poss. 32:22

2) Indiana (RPO offense, QB has 3rd most carries)
Passing Att. 224
Rushing Att. 333 - (60%)
Fumbles Lost 1
Time of Poss. 34:00

3) Texas A&M (RPO offense, QB has 3rd most carries)
Passing Att. 231
Rushing Att. 318 - (58%)
Fumbles Lost -0-
Time of Poss. 32:11

The most successful football teams will always, “Run the ball, and stop the run.”
That’s 2/3 of the football success equation.
60%+ passing offenses nearly always fail against solid rushing teams, as their Defenses can’t hold up on the field 55%+ of the time.

I can’t explain successful football any simpler than that. If you still can’t understand, please contact anyone but me.

 

[Mean Purple]

I was told there would be no math.




Instead, there has been no running.

 

[Wexahu]

Please keep going, as you’re proving to be a triggered nut job that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

You will never understand the importance of running and protecting the football while owning time of possession. It’s obviously way too advanced for your limited aptitude.
But I will educate you one last time; then I’m done with your idiocy.

* BTW, Texas A&M is a full blown RPO offense with a running QB that has the 3rd most carries on the team. Texas A&M runs the football 58% of the time.
TCU is NOT an RPO offense! Hoover running the ball is a joke!

Let‘s keep this short with the Top 3 AP/AFCA teams.
Every Top 3 team runs more than passes, protects the football, and owns time of possession

Top 3 ranked teams:
1) Ohio State
Passing Att. 205
Rushing Att. 232 - (53%)
Fumbles Lost 1
Time of Poss. 32:22

2) Indiana (RPO offense, QB has 3rd most carries)
Passing Att. 224
Rushing Att. 333 - (60%)
Fumbles Lost 1
Time of Poss. 34:00

3) Texas A&M (RPO offense, QB has 3rd most carries)
Passing Att. 231
Rushing Att. 318 - (58%)
Fumbles Lost -0-
Time of Poss. 32:11

The most successful football teams will always, “Run the ball, and stop the run.”
That’s 2/3 of the football success equation.
60%+ passing offenses nearly always fail against solid rushing teams, as their Defenses can’t hold up on the field 55%+ of the time.

Wait, you said what kind of OC "would give the ball to the RBs only 37% of the time when they are averaging 4.99 ypc?" Now you're talking about RPO offenses? We don't average 4.9 ypc, we average 3.9. And we run the ball 46% of the time, not 37%. As usual from you, a total misrepresentation.

As for "the most successful teams will always "run the ball, stop the run"...our 2014 team ran the ball only 49% of the time, and only 31% were to RBs. Boykin wasn't a RPO QB, he was a scrambler. Same type stats for 2015. Were those teams any good?

We don't have a running QB. Don't you think the OC is trying to work with the personnel we have? Or should we just say all those runs that would normally go to a QB we should give to the RBs, as if it's that easy.

You just have an axe to grind over Briles. You wake up thinking up stuff to [ hundin] about.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Gotta believe Barnes is nicked up and obviously the coaches don’t wanna say. But I’m not complaining about Battle. I say again that he’d be a great change-up package in a direct snap RPO, though I’ve yet to see him throw a pass in college.

His carries diminished when we built that first half lead, but he certainly came back on the field when we needed him to carry the rock. I am with you, that he is limited by injury, and we certainly know that we need him to be as healthy as possible for these last 4 games.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Please keep going, as you’re proving to be a triggered nut job that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

You will never understand the importance of running and protecting the football while owning time of possession. It’s obviously way too advanced for your limited aptitude.
But I will educate you one last time; then I’m done with your idiocy.

* BTW, Texas A&M is a full blown RPO offense with a running QB that has the 3rd most carries on the team. Texas A&M runs the football 58% of the time.
TCU is NOT an RPO offense! Hoover running the ball is a joke!

Let‘s keep this short with the Top 3 AP/AFCA teams.
Every Top 3 team runs more than passes, protects the football, and owns time of possession

Top 3 ranked teams:
1) Ohio State
Passing Att. 205
Rushing Att. 232 - (53%)
Fumbles Lost 1
Time of Poss. 32:22

2) Indiana (RPO offense, QB has 3rd most carries)
Passing Att. 224
Rushing Att. 333 - (60%)
Fumbles Lost 1
Time of Poss. 34:00

3) Texas A&M (RPO offense, QB has 3rd most carries)
Passing Att. 231
Rushing Att. 318 - (58%)
Fumbles Lost -0-
Time of Poss. 32:11

The most successful football teams will always, “Run the ball, and stop the run.”
That’s 2/3 of the football success equation.
60%+ passing offenses nearly always fail against solid rushing teams, as their Defenses can’t hold up on the field 55%+ of the time.

I can’t explain successful football any simpler than that. If you still can’t understand, please contact anyone but me.

I would imagine that all those teams have offensive lines that grade out way better then ours. I don't think the Briles doesn't want to run the ball, but I do think that he feels like he has to throw the ball, because we just don't have a great o-line. These teams you listed are also undefeated. Teams that play ahead run the ball more. It may be that teams that win run the ball more, but not necessarily teams that run the ball more win more.