TCU 360: TCU campus assesses allowing concealed weapon carry

[TopFrog]

TCU 360: TCU campus assesses allowing concealed weapon carry

By Sophie Turner

In response to President Barack Obama's proposed gun control policies, Texas lawmakers filed legislature to allow students to carry concealed weapons at public universities.

However, some college presidents have opposing views on the dangers that come with carrying weapons.

TCU is a private university and is therefore exempt from the bill, so the decision is up to the discretion of the university.

After the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary, two college presidents created a petition called College Presidents for Gun Safety. Presidents of many universities are taking action in order to make campuses safe from these tragedies. ...

http://www.tcu360.com/campus/2013/01/16859.tcu-campus-assesses-allowing-concealed-weapon-carry

 

[God Dog]

I was in favor of maintaining TCU's weapons ban until i read this part.

"TCU Police Chief Steven McGee said that he believes allowing concealed weapons on campus would be more dangerous.

TCU currently has a vault at the university police station where students who are licensed gun owners can store their guns. McGee said this allows officers to get a chance to talk to the students and assess what they’re doing."

 

[Opintel]

With tailored training added to the standard CHL certification - including in room safes to store the weapons (get a sticker for your CHL :smile: ) - I think it's a good idea. All the standard do not drink and carry, etc, and additional range training, would help assure that these law abiding students would have their legal right for personal protection.

Do you really believe that illegal carry is not already being done on campus?

 

[froginaustin]

I've been around guns all my life, and have never bothered to get a concealed carry permit because I don't carry for defensive purposes. I don't think I need to. If I did feel threatened, I'd carry with or without a permit. And probably get a permit asap.

Point being; lack of a permit doesn't prevent anyone from arming if s/he thinks s/he needs to be armed to be safe.

 

[Opintel]

I've been around guns all my life, and have never bothered to get a concealed carry permit because I don't carry for defensive purposes. I don't think I need to. If I did feel threatened, I'd carry with or without a permit. And probably get a permit asap.

Point being; lack of a permit doesn't prevent anyone from arming if s/he thinks s/he needs to be armed to be safe.

Why not follow the law? I don't get that mindset.

 

[West Coast Johnny]

Concealed weapons for college students? Stupidest idea I've ever heard.

 

[froginaustin]

Why not follow the law? I don't get that mindset.

I am following the law. There is no anticipated reason that I need a concealed carry permit, and therefore no reason to spend the time to get one. In a hypothetical emergency common sense as I see it would trump the legal regulatory scheme with compliance following ASAP. I hope that's not too nuanced.

 

[Froglaw]

I was in favor of maintaining TCU's weapons ban until i read this part.

"TCU Police Chief Steven McGee said that he believes allowing concealed weapons on campus would be more dangerous.

TCU currently has a vault at the university police station where students who are licensed gun owners can store their guns. McGee said this allows officers to get a chance to talk to the students and assess what they're doing."

Typical mind set on the idea that putting up a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" will prevent criminals and crazy persons from coming onto the property to commit a criminal act.

First time a TCU co-ed empties her Lady Smith into a would be rapist on Stadium drive will do more to solve crime around TCU's campus than one thousand "Gun Free Zone" signs and 50 Chief McGee's.

Unarmed victims are just that: unarmed and a victim.

 

[HFrog1999]

Typical mind set on the idea that putting up a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" will prevent criminals and crazy persons from coming onto the property to commit a criminal act.

First time a TCU co-ed empties her Lady Smith into a would be rapist on Stadium drive will do more to solve crime around TCU's campus than one thousand "Gun Free Zone" signs and 50 Chief McGee's.

Unarmed victims are just that: unarmed and a victim.

They had a serial rapist around campus in the 90's. Students should at least be able to carry when walking around campus.

 

[sous vide]

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Do you really believe that illegal carry is not already being done on campus?

People drive drunk all the time too. Doesn't mean when they get caught out it is just ignored.

 

[$mooth]

Do you really believe that illegal carry is not already being done on campus?

I don't think it's illegal carry, just against school rules. But I knew student's who legally carried during my time at TCU. Since Texas is a CC only state, no one noticed.

 

[SnoSki]

Pepper spray is ok to carry, isn't it? Just curious because I don't know.

 

[tcujsauce]

With tailored training added to the standard CHL certification - including in room safes to store the weapons (get a sticker for your CHL :smile: ) - I think it's a good idea. All the standard do not drink and carry, etc, and additional range training, would help assure that these law abiding students would have their legal right for personal protection.

Do you really believe that illegal carry is not already being done on campus?

It is.

 

[frogforward]

Frankly, if you aren't a current student, parent, or employee of the school, your opinion isn't especially welcome or valid. My wife stands up in front of college students every day, many of whom are sleep-deprived, possibly under the influences of substances, and very likely angry about their grade, so I have a stake in this dialogue -- and she really does.

This would not be a positive direction for TCU, in any sense. I can also guarantee it would also make it more difficult to attract top faculty to Fort Worth.

[Why not let "responsible" high-schoolers carry, too, for safety from bullies? We let them drive, right? So where does this end? Not in a civic or civil place. Even responsible gun owners, like [Richard] Cheney, shoot other people by accident. Would handguns have stopped ex-Marine Charles Whitman (the answer is no, they did not) or any determined and deranged shooter with a death wish? A student surprised by a would-be rapist is no more likely to use her gun effectively than to have it taken from her and turned against her. There are too few positive outcomes and too many horrific ones to pursue this seriously, unless and until we become a society that lives in perpetual fear and suspicion of each other. Maybe that is what Texas is becoming, for some.]

 

[Stiff Arm Frog]

It is.

I know for a fact it is. Or at least was during my time there.

 

[Zubaz]

While I dont own any firearms myself, I am a firm believer in the right to defend yourself and civilian firearm ownership. On a college campus though...thats a tough one. I know that I would not be comfortable if my roommate had a firearm in our dorm, and those concerns would obviously have to be considered. It's not particularly fair to force someone to live with a firearm that they are not comfortable with.

 

[WIN]

Have no problem with legal carry on campus. As one who frequents campus as a fan or neighbor I do feel my opinion maters but we all no it does not.

 

[Shorty]

I had my CHL my last two years of school at TCU. The State of Texas deemed me capable to carry in all the other (legal) places in the State. I would have carried on campus if allowed.

 

[tcujsauce]

Frankly, if you aren't a current student, parent, or employee of the school, your opinion isn't especially welcome or valid. My wife stands up in front of college students every day, many of whom are sleep-deprived, possibly under the influences of substances, and very likely angry about their grade, so I have a stake in this dialogue -- and she really does.

This would not be a positive direction for TCU, in any sense. I can also guarantee it would also make it more difficult to attract top faculty to Fort Worth.

[Why not let "responsible" high-schoolers carry, too, for safety from bullies? We let them drive, right? So where does this end? Not in a civic or civil place. Even responsible gun owners, like [Richard] Cheney, shoot other people by accident. Would handguns have stopped ex-Marine Charles Whitman (the answer is no, they did not) or any determined and deranged shooter with a death wish? A student surprised by a would-be rapist is no more likely to use her gun effectively than to have it taken from her and turned against her. There are too few positive outcomes and too many horrific ones to pursue this seriously, unless and until we become a society that lives in perpetual fear and suspicion of each other. Maybe that is what Texas is becoming, for some.]

From someone who had a gun pulled on them on Berry by some cholos who wanted my watch and wallet, I am absolutely all for this.

 

[WIN]

From someone who had a gun pulled on them on Berry by some cholos who wanted my watch and wallet, I am absolutely all for this.

Yes, I am sure the cholos had a legal carry permit.