State of college football (and TCU) summed up.

[ShreveFrog]

The nation's leader in sacks, David Bailey, wasn't leading the nation in sacks last season at Stanford. Texas Tech brought him in and developed him. Now he's the best DE in the nation. Same goes for Romelo Height. He's got more sacks this season at Texas Tech then he did at USC, Auburn and GT combined, why?

You're saying Tech developed a guy who played at 3 other power schools? LOL

 

[Wexahu]

I guess I'll break the news, Kansas State and TCU bought players too. Every single Big 12 team paid players NIL dollars this season.

Some invested in paying a QB $3MM, some invested in WR's, some invested in the trenches. If it was my $$$ and my team, I would have invested in the trenches, like Texas Tech did, that seems wise to me.


Yes, that's correct, James Blanchard is the one evaluating the talent and making the offers. Notre Dame offered him $1MM+/year and he turned them down.

I guarantee you TCU has someone like that evaluating players and building a NIL strategy. Scouting, evaluating and developing matters or UT and A&M would play each other in the NC game every single year.

You can have the greatest NIL strategy going, but if you don't have dollars to give away, it won't mean much.

 

[TechAdvisor]

I realize we are spending money too. Just not near as much as Tech.

Tech had 13 incoming transfer portal players this year with a rating of 4 stars or higher. TCU had 1. These are basically ready made players ready to come in and heavily contribute, if not start and be among the best players on the team. 13-1, that's literally an entire unit. It's fine, kudos to you guys for having the boosters willing to do it, but let's not pretend this is some story of recruit and develop. You guys outbid other teams for those players, they aren't coming to Lubbock for the education or the scenery.

Sure, but Tech also brought in a 5* RB from USC who tore his ACL in fall camp and a 3* kid with offers from Tech and Lamar turned into a 1,000 rusher leading the conference in rushing TD's.

Clearly there is more to it than just paying someone to come to your program and sometimes the players you "buy" don't ever play a down due to injury or just don't pan out.

You clearly need strategy, scouting, scheme and development.

 

[TechAdvisor]

You're saying Tech developed a guy who played at 3 other power schools? LOL

When he has more sacks at your program than the 3 other schools combined............yes, that is in fact what I'm saying.

 

[Paint It Purple]

When you learn that KSU QB Avery Johnson was paid more than anyone on Texas Tech or BYU's roster, this entire speech rings hollow and ignorant.

KSU clearly had money to pay top players, they just paid the wrong ones and didn't develop the ones they did pay as well as other teams did.

Texas Tech's best player was a walk-on, who slept on the floor for an entire year before earning a scholarship. Now he's in the running for the Heisman as a LB.

Texas Tech's QB grew up in Lubbock, NO ONE offered him NIL money to leave Lubbock this year. No one picked him to lead the conference in comp % and QBR while playing on a broken leg.

The nation's leader in sacks, David Bailey, wasn't leading the nation in sacks last season at Stanford. Texas Tech brought him in and developed him. Now he's the best DE in the nation. Same goes for Romelo Height. He's got more sacks this season at Texas Tech then he did at USC, Auburn and GT combined, why? Texas Tech developed him and schemed him up. Same thing for Lee Hunter

The Big 12 INT leader had 1 INT in 2 seasons at Mississippi St, he comes to Texas Tech, gets developed and now leads the entire conference in INT's.

The 1,000 rusher who leads the conference in rushing TD's only had offers from Texas Tech and Lamar.

Texas Tech isn't a story of a billionaire buying players (Cody Campbell isn't the only billionaire Texas Tech donor BTW), it's a story of hiring the two best coordinators in the country over the offseason, the best scouting department in the sport and developing the best team in the conference.

Kansas State hired a terrible OC, they didn't develop for crap, their scheme was predictable garbage and they did a terrible job of coaching this year. Instead of owning the things he can control, he just gets up and whines about what other programs have.

When you barely squeak by lame duck Oklahoma State & North Dakota while losing to Army with a $3MM/year QB, you don't get to blame NIL for your season, you sucked as a coach and wasted a generational talent at QB. Look in the mirror Coach.

Totally objective response to the current college dilemma.

[sarcasm should be noted since poster's pronoun is Tech]

 

[SW toad]

I guess I'll break the news, Kansas State and TCU bought players too. Every single Big 12 team paid players NIL dollars this season.

Some invested in paying a QB $3MM, some invested in WR's, some invested in the trenches. If it was my $$$ and my team, I would have invested in the trenches, like Texas Tech did, that seems wise to me.


Yes, that's correct, James Blanchard is the one evaluating the talent and making the offers. Notre Dame offered him $1MM+/year and he turned them down.

I guarantee you TCU has someone like that evaluating players and building a NIL strategy. Scouting, evaluating and developing matters or UT and A&M would play each other in the NC game every single year.

I'm not so sure someone at TCU has someone evaluating the players at Indiana State, Wofford, Albany or FCS. "Building an NIL strategy" Who would that be ???? Kansas State & TCU in NIL is like 4 year old girls playing with Lincoln logs, Legos or God forbid Tetherball.

 

[HornyWartyToad]

Why didn't Bailey lead the nation in sacks last season at Stanford, but is this season at Texas Tech?

Why did Bryce Pollack only have 1 INT last season at Miss St, but leads the Big 12 this season?

Why didn’t Saquon Barkley win Super Bowls with the NY Giants but does with the Iggles? Why didn’t Joe Burrow win a Heisman or Natty with Ohio State but did with LSU? Why didn’t Josh Doctson become one of the best WRs in the country at Wyoming? Why wasn’t Jason Verrett a Thorpe finalist and All-American at Santa Clara College?
Maybe because they all went to more-talented teams?

 

[Frogenstein]

Yes, that's correct, James Blanchard is the one evaluating the talent and making the offers. Notre Dame offered him $1MM+/year and he turned them down.

Actually he accepted the job and it was reported he was leaving for Notre Dame. Then he met with Cody and decided to stay at Tech. I am sure money had nothing to do with his deciding to stay in Lubbock.

 

[Mean Purple]

I'm saying Texas Tech had a solid foundation, beat both CCG participants, were one play away from playing for a Big 12 title last season, brought in some good players and developed them into elite players.

Texas Tech didn't buy the nations sack leader or the conference INT leader, they developed the players they brought in into those guys and should be given credit for scouting and developing, just as much as NIL spend.

Clearly paying a player like Avery Johnson $3MM or a player like Arch Manning $7MM isn't enough to win 11 games, you still have to develop and have a good scheme.

True Story: Lubbock sucks.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

True Story: Lubbock sucks.

Imagine going to another school's forum to explain how your $48M player payroll was just great player development. lol

 

[TopFrog]

 

[JAB331]

A few examples, and these go back a few years, but then again so do I:

All-Pro special teams player and also played safety, making closer to minimum and could see a bump elsewhere. Contract renegotiated and gets a small bump, but suddenly his wife and kids are appearing in commercials for one of the teams sponsors. Arms-length or part of the sponsorship deal?

Another way teams funneled money was through private foundations. Star QB is asked to renegotiate contract to create cap-space. Deal is done and QB sets up a foundation which team and sponsors generously contribute. QB gets pub but also enjoys some perks. Big baseball fan so foundation offices are in local ball park and mother and sister are the only paid employees. The foundation does meet the requirements for charitable purposes, including meeting minimums to avoid excise taxes.

Similarly special teams player sets up a foundation which team and sponsors contribute. Foundation leases player's ranch, employs kids (at exactly the same amount of income as the standard deductions). It also meets all IRS requirements.

Yeah, after I posted this I remembered the LA Shaq trade. Wow was that interference..!

 

[Sangria Wine]

McGuire is clearly a good coach.

I’d damn sure trade coaches. No doubt about that.

 

[HornedFrogAz]

I guess I'll break the news, Kansas State and TCU bought players too. Every single Big 12 team paid players NIL dollars this season.

Some invested in paying a QB $3MM, some invested in WR's, some invested in the trenches. If it was my $$$ and my team, I would have invested in the trenches, like Texas Tech did, that seems wise to me.


Yes, that's correct, James Blanchard is the one evaluating the talent and making the offers. Notre Dame offered him $1MM+/year and he turned them down.

I guarantee you TCU has someone like that evaluating players and building a NIL strategy. Scouting, evaluating and developing matters or UT and A&M would play each other in the NC game every single year.

Nice to have an unsolicited (and spectacularly self un-aware) opinion from one who is benefiting from the current state of things that completely confirms what I previously said in this very thread.

Being cynical about it is the only attitude that makes sense, other than for the fans of the "dynasty" programs that will feast like pigs at an overflowing trough because of this.

Though don't kid yourself, TA. Tech is definitely not a "dynasty" program, nor is it a development center turning coal into diamonds as in the propaganda you are peddling. It's the very deep pockets of a single alumni.

Which is fine, and if you were honest about your situation I'd wish you and your team well in the playoffs. In fact I still do, despite the falsehoods you've spewed all over this thread. And since the whole things hinges on just one guy, you better hope the actual "dynasty" programs (The UTs, OSUs, and Alabamas of the world) don't do what they do best and collude to keep the outsiders on the outside. And on a personal note: how about you just enjoy the season you've had and not come over here acting like some sorry baylor boy. It would never have occurred to me or any of us here during the Rose Bowl season or our NC run a few years ago to go to another team's forum and rub their faces in it. But then ours was a constant uphill battle, whereas yours was on a nice level street made of gold. One thing that has proven true again and again: struggle builds character & things that aren't earned have little meaning.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

'I've never seen a D-line like this': Texas Tech's $7M offseason overhaul paying off

The nation's leader in sacks is just the tip of the spear when it comes to the Red Raiders' work in the portal.

www.espn.com

 

[TechAdvisor]

Nice to have an unsolicited (and spectacularly self un-aware) opinion from one who is benefiting from the current state of things that completely confirms what I previously said in this very thread.

Though don't kid yourself, TA. Tech is definitely not a "dynasty" program, nor is it a development center turning coal into diamonds as in the propaganda you are peddling. It's the very deep pockets of a single alumni.

Which is fine, and if you were honest about your situation I'd wish you and your team well in the playoffs. In fact I still do, despite the falsehoods you've spewed all over this thread. And since the whole things hinges on just one guy, you better hope the actual "dynasty" programs (The UTs, OSUs, and Alabamas of the world) don't do what they do best and collude to keep the outsiders on the outside. And on a personal note: how about you just enjoy the season you've had and not come over here acting like some sorry baylor boy. It would never have occurred to me or any of us here during the Rose Bowl season or our NC run a few years ago to go to another team's forum and rub their faces in it. But then ours was a constant uphill battle, whereas yours was on a nice level street made of gold. One thing that has proven true again and again: struggle builds character & things that aren't earned have little meaning.

Every single thing I said is completely accurate and every single thing you've said is completely inaccurate. I've been completely honest about Tech's situation. The best player on the team is quite literally a walk-on. The QB(and Baylor's QB) grew up in Lubbock, the leading rusher on the team is a 3* with their only other offer from Lamar. Most act like this is a story about one team buying a dozen 5* players from Alabama and Ohio State who led the nation in every category.

Cody Campbell isn't even the only billionaire donor, he's a 50/50 partner with another billionaire donor who also happened to play offensive linemen for Texas Tech..........oh and there is another billionaire donor named Womble who paid for all the basketball and football lockerroom upgrades. None of this hinges on "one guy".

I haven't once rubbed anyone's face in anything.....I just disagree with Klieman's assertion and think it's ridiculous since he has a player making more than anyone on Tech or BYU's roster.

 

[TechAdvisor]

Why didn’t Saquon Barkley win Super Bowls with the NY Giants but does with the Iggles? Why didn’t Joe Burrow win a Heisman or Natty with Ohio State but did with LSU? Why didn’t Josh Doctson become one of the best WRs in the country at Wyoming? Why wasn’t Jason Verrett a Thorpe finalist and All-American at Santa Clara College?
Maybe because they all went to more-talented teams?

Maybe they were developed and schemed up better............at the more successful team.

 

[TechAdvisor]

I'm not so sure someone at TCU has someone evaluating the players at Indiana State, Wofford, Albany or FCS. "Building an NIL strategy" Who would that be ???? Kansas State & TCU in NIL is like 4 year old girls playing with Lincoln logs, Legos or God forbid Tetherball.

There is reporting that Kansas State was paying Avery Johnson $2-$3MM, making him higher paid than anyone on Tech or BYU's roster. I don't know Josh Hoover's situation, but I'm guessing he's around $1MM in NIL earnings.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Every single thing I said is completely accurate and every single thing you've said is completely inaccurate. I've been completely honest about Tech's situation. The best player on the team is quite literally a walk-on. The QB(and Baylor's QB) grew up in Lubbock, the leading rusher on the team is a 3* with their only other offer from Lamar. Most act like this is a story about one team buying a dozen 5* players from Alabama and Ohio State who led the nation in every category.

Cody Campbell isn't even the only billionaire donor, he's a 50/50 partner with another billionaire donor who also happened to play offensive linemen for Texas Tech..........oh and there is another billionaire donor named Womble who paid for all the basketball and football lockerroom upgrades. None of this hinges on "one guy".

I haven't once rubbed anyone's face in anything.....I just disagree with Klieman's assertion and think it's ridiculous since he has a player making more than anyone on Tech or BYU's roster.

lol, and the reports were that you had to pay guys double what other schools offered to even get them to Lubbock. SI article says Bailey cost $3M.

 

[CryptoMiner]

When he has more sacks at your program than the 3 other schools combined............yes, that is in fact what I'm saying.