ShreveFrog
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I predicted 7-5. Not happy with 8-4 though. Should’ve been 10-2.
State of college football (and TCU) summed up.
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CryptoMiner
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I picked 11-1 and really feel they could have achieved that record. Needed more Good Hoover and thought the defense had progressed more.
CryptoMiner
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It was more of advantage back then, especially when you were one of the first using those tactics.
In today’s world not so much. Not really any small market teams. Buffalo draws a lot from Toronto and there is Green Bay,
Its not realistic to try and compete the NFL to the college right now.
I am an ex-letterman and have been passionate about TCU athletics for 5 decades. I have been a FB season ticket holder for the last 42 years. I am no Cody Campbell but I have given substantial stock gifts and cash to TCU in the last 20 years.
I have great front row club seats but I am not enjoying the games nearly as much as I did in the old days when I had lesser seats on the 20 yard line. There are two main reasons. First, these games take freaking FOREVER now with innumerable long TV timeouts. There is no flow to the games and I find it maddening.
Second, I'll echo what Klieman, Dykes and virtually else in the know is saying. It is now a money game pure and simple. A big part of the joy of TCU football over the years for me was watching the recruiting process and seeing our coaches (CGP) bring in a bunch of undersized, overlooked 2 and 3 stars, coaching them up, making them monsters in the weight room, and then going out and beating pants off of the snooty whorns and other entitled big schools. Now we try to do the same and then along comes Tech, Oklahoma, or someone else with rich donors who spend ridiculous amounts of cash to steal our best players after we developed them. Now I don't even follow recruiting. It doesn't much matter anymore and that saddens me.
I mentioned some of this to another multidecade loyal alum at the game Saturday during the delay (don’t get me started on “lightning delay – seek cover” nonsense after the storm has long passed) and to my surprise he told me that he is giving up his club seats next year for most of the same reasons that I am considering the same. Since there is no relief on the horizon I think in the future I am going to stay home, grab a nice IPA, and enjoy the games on my big screen TV.
Lastly, I just want to add I am immensely grateful for the joy that TCU athletics has given me over more than a half century and I will bleed purple till the day I die.
I have great front row club seats but I am not enjoying the games nearly as much as I did in the old days when I had lesser seats on the 20 yard line. There are two main reasons. First, these games take freaking FOREVER now with innumerable long TV timeouts. There is no flow to the games and I find it maddening.
Second, I'll echo what Klieman, Dykes and virtually else in the know is saying. It is now a money game pure and simple. A big part of the joy of TCU football over the years for me was watching the recruiting process and seeing our coaches (CGP) bring in a bunch of undersized, overlooked 2 and 3 stars, coaching them up, making them monsters in the weight room, and then going out and beating pants off of the snooty whorns and other entitled big schools. Now we try to do the same and then along comes Tech, Oklahoma, or someone else with rich donors who spend ridiculous amounts of cash to steal our best players after we developed them. Now I don't even follow recruiting. It doesn't much matter anymore and that saddens me.
I mentioned some of this to another multidecade loyal alum at the game Saturday during the delay (don’t get me started on “lightning delay – seek cover” nonsense after the storm has long passed) and to my surprise he told me that he is giving up his club seats next year for most of the same reasons that I am considering the same. Since there is no relief on the horizon I think in the future I am going to stay home, grab a nice IPA, and enjoy the games on my big screen TV.
Lastly, I just want to add I am immensely grateful for the joy that TCU athletics has given me over more than a half century and I will bleed purple till the day I die.
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TechAdvisor
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When you learn that KSU QB Avery Johnson was paid more than anyone on Texas Tech or BYU's roster, this entire speech rings hollow and ignorant.
KSU clearly had money to pay top players, they just paid the wrong ones and didn't develop the ones they did pay as well as other teams did.
Texas Tech's best player was a walk-on, who slept on the floor for an entire year before earning a scholarship. Now he's in the running for the Heisman as a LB.
Texas Tech's QB grew up in Lubbock, NO ONE offered him NIL money to leave Lubbock this year. No one picked him to lead the conference in comp % and QBR while playing on a broken leg.
The nation's leader in sacks, David Bailey, wasn't leading the nation in sacks last season at Stanford. Texas Tech brought him in and developed him. Now he's the best DE in the nation. Same goes for Romelo Height. He's got more sacks this season at Texas Tech then he did at USC, Auburn and GT combined, why? Texas Tech developed him and schemed him up. Same thing for Lee Hunter
The Big 12 INT leader had 1 INT in 2 seasons at Mississippi St, he comes to Texas Tech, gets developed and now leads the entire conference in INT's.
The 1,000 rusher who leads the conference in rushing TD's only had offers from Texas Tech and Lamar.
Texas Tech isn't a story of a billionaire buying players (Cody Campbell isn't the only billionaire Texas Tech donor BTW), it's a story of hiring the two best coordinators in the country over the offseason, the best scouting department in the sport and developing the best team in the conference.
Kansas State hired a terrible OC, they didn't develop for crap, their scheme was predictable garbage and they did a terrible job of coaching this year. Instead of owning the things he can control, he just gets up and whines about what other programs have.
When you barely squeak by lame duck Oklahoma State & North Dakota while losing to Army with a $3MM/year QB, you don't get to blame NIL for your season, you sucked as a coach and wasted a generational talent at QB. Look in the mirror Coach.
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So this ranking is garbage? In any event, you guys were somehow able to land 7 of the top 100 transfers in the country for this year, according to 247 Sports. 3 O-lineman, 3 D-lineman and a WR. So you're saying that's not $$$ talking, that's good coaching and development? LOL, that's pretty funny. By comparison, TCU got one such transfer, Jordan Dwyer, ranked below all seven of yours.
Surprising List Of Biggest NIL Spenders In College Football
It's a well known assumption from college football fans that the Oregon Ducks are in the upper echelon of name, image, and likeness (NIL) investment. Through Ni
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TechAdvisor
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I'm saying Texas Tech had a solid foundation, beat both CCG participants, were one play away from playing for a Big 12 title last season, brought in some good players and developed them into elite players.So this ranking is garbage? In any event, you guys were somehow able to land 7 of the top 100 transfers in the country for this year, according to 247 Sports. 3 O-lineman, 3 D-lineman and a WR. So you're saying that's not $$$ talking, that's good coaching and development? LOL, that's pretty funny. By comparison, TCU got one such transfer, Jordan Dwyer, ranked below all seven of yours.
Surprising List Of Biggest NIL Spenders In College Football
It's a well known assumption from college football fans that the Oregon Ducks are in the upper echelon of name, image, and likeness (NIL) investment. Through Ni
Texas Tech didn't buy the nations sack leader or the conference INT leader, they developed the players they brought in into those guys and should be given credit for scouting and developing, just as much as NIL spend.
Clearly paying a player like Avery Johnson $3MM or a player like Arch Manning $7MM isn't enough to win 11 games, you still have to develop and have a good scheme.
This Ain't Chopped Liver
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This appears that you are making the point that everything has to be near perfect for fans to support the team - the team needs to be better than 8-4; 10-2 might work; weather has to be perfect, no chance of rain (if it ain’t the heat then it becomes a chance of rain excuse); players can’t transfer; and the opponent has to be rival Baylor or Tech, but not SMU, and Baylor and Tech better bring fans to help fill the seats because TCU fans aren’t going to do it. @Panther City Frog threw in convenient parking for everyone and a game-day experience more suitable to him.
Oh, and students need to be on campus, but I wasn’t referring to the student section and it seems to me that Thanksgiving Saturday is the least busy weekend of the season with leisure time aplenty for us regular folk to travel and attend the last Big XII game of the season, hmmm. There are only four or five conference games to attend.
So you concur - too many TCU fans are simply spoiled wannabes, wanting an elite team without being elite fans and that won’t cut it in the B1G or SEC or a winnowed consolidation of Power 4 schools.
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My point is that these players you brought in were pretty much finished products, that's why they were rated as highly as they were. It's not like everyone thought that David Bailey was kind of a serviceable player and Tech's scheme and development turned him into a sack machine.
The left side of your O-line and your entire 4-man starting D-line are 2025 tran$fer portal imports. Highly rated ones too, and everyone knows those don't come cheap. Kudo to you guys, but let's call a spade a spade.
tmcats
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tech payed their rush end, david bailey, more than k-state paid it's quarterback. stop with the nonsense narratives. k-state had won the last nine v. txt, but suddenly something change. wonder what that could be?
i hope txt wins the cfp. but it won't be because friday nights joey suddenly became rockny, no he became more like rockefeller.
it's txt, texas, aTm fighting the new sports commission standards and for good reason. they have deep pockets and want to continue that there david baileys advantage.
i hope txt wins the cfp. but it won't be because friday nights joey suddenly became rockny, no he became more like rockefeller.
it's txt, texas, aTm fighting the new sports commission standards and for good reason. they have deep pockets and want to continue that there david baileys advantage.
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gohornedfrogs
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Well, it’s a “poll” of 17 alleged industry insiders. They voted on who they THINK spends the most money, so I wouldn’t give it too much credit.So this ranking is garbage? In any event, you guys were somehow able to land 7 of the top 100 transfers in the country for this year, according to 247 Sports. 3 O-lineman, 3 D-lineman and a WR. So you're saying that's not $$$ talking, that's good coaching and development? LOL, that's pretty funny. By comparison, TCU got one such transfer, Jordan Dwyer, ranked below all seven of yours.
Surprising List Of Biggest NIL Spenders In College Football
It's a well known assumption from college football fans that the Oregon Ducks are in the upper echelon of name, image, and likeness (NIL) investment. Through Ni
TechAdvisor
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Why didn't Bailey lead the nation in sacks last season at Stanford, but is this season at Texas Tech?
Why did Bryce Pollack only have 1 INT last season at Miss St, but leads the Big 12 this season?
Right. Nobody really knows how much is spent exactly, but they had the #2 portal class in the country with 7 of the top 100 players nationally. The entire starting D-line is 2025 transfer kids. I'm not going out on a limb in saying Tech spent quite a bit more money than most on pay-for-play deals. Good for them, but development.......that's kinda funny.
Let's give Sonny enough money to go get 7 of the top 100 this year and see how much our development improves.
Why did so many teams want Bailey if he didn't have many sacks at Stanford? Pollack played on a team that went 2-10 last year and didn't win an SEC game, I'm sure their opponents weren't flinging the ball around trying to catch up in many games. Why was he a 4-star transfer if he wasn't getting INTs?
TechAdvisor
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That's not what I heard, do you have a link to cite your source?
Chris Kleiman has never beaten a day 1 starting Texas Tech QB in his entire career. Every year prior to this year Tech was riddled with injuries and played backup QB's vs Kansas State in the Klieman era. Morton played the entire game this year.
McGuire was the first Texas Tech coach to ever beat UT and OU in the same season and there was no NIL back then.
McGuire was the first Texas Tech coach to have a winning conference record in back-to-back seasons since Leach and that was before NIL.
Texas Tech beat Iowa State and Arizona State, the two Big 12 title game participants last season and was a play away from playing for a Big 12 title last season before bringing in any high profile transfers.
McGuire is clearly a good coach.
TechAdvisor
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Clearly, they showed potential.
They were also developed and clearly have better production at Texas Tech than they did at their previous stops, shouldn't some credit be given to the coaches for development?
Sure, some. But the main reason Tech is where they are right now is because of buying players. The entire D-line was bought! Do you realize what a difference that makes for the whole defense? Don't you think Pollack's INT numbers are up because of the pass rush and being ahead in every game?
This Ain't Chopped Liver
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TechAdvisor appears to be making a good argument here, though I am ignorant as to accuracy. What I have read, is that Tech GM, James Blanchard, with NFL scouting experience, zeroed in on some talent, sold the money people he knew what he was doing, pulled the trigger and was correct on talent evaluation.
TCU needs someone that can do that; maybe Patterson, ha - you don’t want to be spending money on busts - like Patterson said, it is not about the ones you don't get but the ones you do that don’t work out (something like that). You have to spend the money correctly, get it right!
TCU needs someone that can do that; maybe Patterson, ha - you don’t want to be spending money on busts - like Patterson said, it is not about the ones you don't get but the ones you do that don’t work out (something like that). You have to spend the money correctly, get it right!
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TechAdvisor
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I guess I'll break the news, Kansas State and TCU bought players too. Every single Big 12 team paid players NIL dollars this season.
Some invested in paying a QB $3MM, some invested in WR's, some invested in the trenches. If it was my $$$ and my team, I would have invested in the trenches, like Texas Tech did, that seems wise to me.
Yes, that's correct, James Blanchard is the one evaluating the talent and making the offers. Notre Dame offered him $1MM+/year and he turned them down.
I guarantee you TCU has someone like that evaluating players and building a NIL strategy. Scouting, evaluating and developing matters or UT and A&M would play each other in the NC game every single year.
I realize we are spending money too. Just not near as much as Tech.
Tech had 13 incoming transfer portal players this year with a rating of 4 stars or higher. TCU had 1. These are basically ready made players ready to come in and heavily contribute, if not start and be among the best players on the team. 13-1, that's literally an entire unit. It's fine, kudos to you guys for having the boosters willing to do it, but let's not pretend this is some story of recruit and develop. You guys outbid other teams for those players, they aren't coming to Lubbock for the education or the scenery.
