• The KillerFrogs

State of college football (and TCU) summed up.

Salary cap is one thing but NIL money is another. Even in the NFL certain players sign with specific teams knowing that they can generate significant dollars in those markets on top of their salary. Its not as prevalent since pro players have many options on a national scale, but it still happens.
But the Star QB does not sign with the Atlanta Falcons because an Atlanta car dealer offers some more money under the table.
 

Cougar/Frog

Active Member
Cam Newton was bought for 180k, that probably wouldn't even be a top salary on most teams these days

180k is probably the going rate for a solid G5 transfer, not a 5 star QB with Heisman potential
Ole Miss QB was set to transfer to Temple to start for $300k, when Kiffin offered him $600k as a backup.
Typical SEC transfer starter is $2-3mil/yr.
 

Putt4Purple

Active Member
NIL and annual transfer started in 2021? And school pay (revenue sharing) started this year I believe. When you say the money didn’t change much, just wondering what you were referring to.

Duh!! He’s referring to under the table money that has been the recruiting unwritten rule for decades! You are young and naive. I don’t agree with Wexahu with a lot of his post but on this statement I agree.
 

SW toad

Active Member
Teddy Roosevelt had no authority over college football when he saved the game by bringing in the forward pass.

i expect something similar from Trump.

Go back the old transfer rule, make it a felony go around the hard salary cap with big fines and the billionaires with think twice.
Trump has been talking on every other week timeline with Saban since April regarding the SCORE act proposal. The SCORE act has been revised at least 8 times this year. CFB fairness may be coming sometime over the next year.

Teddy Roosevelt is the only President to have gone to his grave saying he saw Bigfoot. Roosevelt's encounter with a bigfoot is remarkable. Super detailed with his colleagues terrified as much as he was.
This FACT alone makes me think History is repeating.
 

JAB331

Active Member
Salary cap is one thing but NIL money is another. Even in the NFL certain players sign with specific teams knowing that they can generate significant dollars in those markets on top of their salary. Its not as prevalent since pro players have many options on a national scale, but it still happens.
Yes, but in the NFL, those are bonafide arms length transactions. In college it’s just the alumni-slipping-them-large-checks variety. And that’s basically all you have to say, there has to be a business case for the NIL that shows commercial value for the check writer, hence why the CBA approach would work.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
Duh!! He’s referring to under the table money that has been the recruiting unwritten rule for decades! You are young and naive. I don’t agree with Wexahu with a lot of his post but on this statement I agree.
Not so much the under the table money, although there was obviously some that. Moreso that pay for play is not why most all of the top high school recruits are going to the blue blood programs. They’ve always done that anyway. But those schools couldn’t take other teams players too.
 

Sangria Wine

Active Member
But the Star QB does not sign with the Atlanta Falcons because an Atlanta car dealer offers some more money under the table.
Well that’s literally what Jerry Jones was setting up when the NFL sued him a couple decades ago. It does still happen to a smaller degree with certain franchises. It probably matters more with lower salary players through in terms of appearance fees, etc. Had the NFL not sued Jerry he likely would have fully executed an NLF version of local NIL long before college sports took this path.

The further evolution of NIL is the big cigars bringing former players into their business deals they have no reason to be invited into other than being former players. That’s been happening for years anyways but I’m sure it’ll only amplify with the full implementation of NIL. This [ Finebaum ]show is just getting started.
 
I am disappointed in Frog fans not showing up on Saturday. We want the team to be elite, but don’t muster support after a win at Houston and opportunity to finish 8-4, and being the last game of the season versus a team new to Amon Carter arriving with a better 5-3 Big XII record.

Meanwhile, Minnesota packed it in in snow and cold. Yes, it was a border rivalry game for the AXE, but Minnesota was 6-5 and Wisconsin 4-7, and TCU fans have shown they don’t care about rivalry games, running away from crosstown border rival SMU and The Skillet.

Minnesota and Wisconsin are B1G, and maybe too many Frog fans are simply spoiled wannabes.

—I am Muck
 
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tcudoc

Full Member
I am disappointed in Frog fans not showing up on Saturday. We want the team to be elite, but don’t muster support after a win at Houston and opportunity to finish 8-4, and being the last game of the season versus a team new to Amon Carter arriving with a better 5-3 Big XII record.

Meanwhile, Minnesota packed it in in snow and cold. Yes, it was a border rivalry game for the AXE, but Minnesota was 6-5 and Wisconsin 4-7, and TCU fans have shown they don’t care about rivalry games, running away from crosstown border rival SMU and The Skillet.

Minnesota and Wisconsin are B1G, and maybe too many Frog fans are simply spoiled wannabes.

—I am Muck
A few things:
Disappointing season
Holiday weekend (students all off campus)
Against a team no one cares about (no rivalry at all)
Rain in the forecast
1.5 hour lightning delay
NIL/Transfer portal results in no player loyalty
Small private university vs a team that does not travel well with almost zero local fans.

Add that together and it will be low attendance every time. Very predictable.
 

TopFrog

Lifelong Frog
College football and athletics are broken. There has always been money and greed involved but it is at a federal NGO grant level where it is just a non-sustainable money grab of billions of dollars flying around and everyone is getting what they can however they can.

It is being played with stupid money and many will eventually not be able to continue trying to keep pace. That is what is happening now by SEC and Big 10 --- squeeze it all down and funnel the money to them. Monopolize it. Control it. They already feel like no teams but theirs should be in the playoffs. North Texas and BYU have no business in their world.

It is ruined. Perhaps it can and will be restored one day. But I doubt it.
 

Panther City Frog

Full Member
A few things:
Disappointing season
Holiday weekend (students all off campus)
Against a team no one cares about (no rivalry at all)
Rain in the forecast
1.5 hour lightning delay
NIL/Transfer portal results in no player loyalty
Small private university vs a team that does not travel well with almost zero local fans.

Add that together and it will be low attendance every time. Very predictable.
I will add the piss-poor stadium/game day experience and the lack of parking for regular folks.
 

CryptoMiner

Full Member
Yes, but in the NFL, those are bonafide arms length transactions. In college it’s just the alumni-slipping-them-large-checks variety. And that’s basically all you have to say, there has to be a business case for the NIL that shows commercial value for the check writer, hence why the CBA approach would work.
A few examples, and these go back a few years, but then again so do I:

All-Pro special teams player and also played safety, making closer to minimum and could see a bump elsewhere. Contract renegotiated and gets a small bump, but suddenly his wife and kids are appearing in commercials for one of the teams sponsors. Arms-length or part of the sponsorship deal?

Another way teams funneled money was through private foundations. Star QB is asked to renegotiate contract to create cap-space. Deal is done and QB sets up a foundation which team and sponsors generously contribute. QB gets pub but also enjoys some perks. Big baseball fan so foundation offices are in local ball park and mother and sister are the only paid employees. The foundation does meet the requirements for charitable purposes, including meeting minimums to avoid excise taxes.

Similarly special teams player sets up a foundation which team and sponsors contribute. Foundation leases player's ranch, employs kids (at exactly the same amount of income as the standard deductions). It also meets all IRS requirements.
 

CryptoMiner

Full Member
A few things:
Disappointing season
Holiday weekend (students all off campus)
Against a team no one cares about (no rivalry at all)
Rain in the forecast
1.5 hour lightning delay
NIL/Transfer portal results in no player loyalty
Small private university vs a team that does not travel well with almost zero local fans.

Add that together and it will be low attendance every time. Very predictable.
Wonder how many people picked TCU to go better than 8-4 in the preseason?
 

Wexahu

Full Member
A few examples, and these go back a few years, but then again so do I:

All-Pro special teams player and also played safety, making closer to minimum and could see a bump elsewhere. Contract renegotiated and gets a small bump, but suddenly his wife and kids are appearing in commercials for one of the teams sponsors. Arms-length or part of the sponsorship deal?

Another way teams funneled money was through private foundations. Star QB is asked to renegotiate contract to create cap-space. Deal is done and QB sets up a foundation which team and sponsors generously contribute. QB gets pub but also enjoys some perks. Big baseball fan so foundation offices are in local ball park and mother and sister are the only paid employees. The foundation does meet the requirements for charitable purposes, including meeting minimums to avoid excise taxes.

Similarly special teams player sets up a foundation which team and sponsors contribute. Foundation leases player's ranch, employs kids (at exactly the same amount of income as the standard deductions). It also meets all IRS requirements.
From a competitive advantage standpoint, I don't think these things tip the scales much at all.

The wealth of the owners or size of the market seems to make zero difference in an NFL team's ability to compete. It really is a great system that is in place.
 
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