State of college football (and TCU) summed up.

[Frog Attack II]

"Moneyball" is a good analogy - but it only lasted for a while in college football. TCU, Boise, Utah all earned their way into prominence... Then the system chg'd to protect the blue bloods - cloaked in compensating the "student-athlete".

The path now to championships is via dumb ego money. I hate that fact...I mean, if we want to throw $ at it, we have an ~ $3B endowment to funnel money to 18 year olds... Should we do that? (Sarcasm)

 

[JAB331]

We need a cap that includes NIL, and that should apply to coaches too. I appreciate his comments, but the other side is these coaches are making way too much guaranteed money.

He’s not being paid (nor is SD) to have a barely winning program. He’s paid to win championships and get to the NCP. Coaches should have more of a pay-for-performance setup, no more of this guaranteed $50M buyout crap.

 

[JAB331]

(2/2)

But yes, given the current landscape, we don’t need new coaches, we need more billionaire alumni who care about college football and are willing to spend the $$$

 

[Wexahu]

We need a cap that includes NIL, and that should apply to coaches too. I appreciate his comments, but the other side is these coaches are making way too much guaranteed money.

He’s not being paid (nor is SD) to have a barely winning program. He’s paid to win championships and get to the NCP. Coaches should have more of a pay-for-performance setup, no more of this guaranteed $50M buyout crap.

A cap on NIL is futile, no way you could allocate the resources to monitor and regulate it. It had to be either you’re not allowed to get paid or there is no limit on what you can get paid. And here we are.

 

[HornyWartyToad]

Was gonna say the same thing. If SD had said these exact words the pitchforks would be out.

Probably true. . . What’s also true is that Klieman has more cred in saying something like that because he’s not a guy who makes weak excuses for inexplicably terrible results. He’s also a guy who has a solid track record of consistently getting well above average results with below average resources. So when he says that, it doesn’t sound like a guy trying to rationalize poor performance.

 

[JAB331]

A cap on NIL is futile, no way you could allocate the resources to monitor and regulate it. It had to be either you’re not allowed to get paid or there is no limit on what you can get paid. And here we are.

You could, it just becomes a collective bargaining agreement, much like where the schools give up their media rights to participate in a conference. Its opt-in, and players are getting paid fair wages, so the ruling on rights doesn’t apply.

Actually, reading between the lines, we’re already headed in that direction.

 

[Wexahu]

You could, it just becomes a collective bargaining agreement, much like where the schools give up their media rights to participate in a conference. Its opt-in, and players are getting paid fair wages, so the ruling on rights doesn’t apply.

Actually, reading between the lines, we’re already headed in that direction.

I think there will still be pretty rampant cheating. At a minimum they need to massively restrict player movement, which I doubt happens.

 

[Mean Purple]

The Free For All is on, and will only get worse. Oh, sure, there's "rules" now for all this, but no one gave a ripe crap about the "rules" before, so I don't really understand why they would start now...

It’s already getting rained in. And there will be more restrictions.

 

[One Frog Nation]

What did sonny say the other day, something like around 20 current players will be in the portal. and that probably won't be that much different from most other big 12 schools. If you have 20 seniors on a team and lose 20 to the portal that is around a 50% turnover each year. some schools will roll the dice in that situation and go after 40 players from the portal, others will look more for the unheralded HS senior (harder and harder to find - even harder to keep). It would be more watchable if it was a system more set up like british soccer where the worst of the best drops down to a lower level and the best of the worst moves up.

 

[Mean Purple]

You could, it just becomes a collective bargaining agreement, much like where the schools give up their media rights to participate in a conference. Its opt-in, and players are getting paid fair wages, so the ruling on rights doesn’t apply.

Actually, reading between the lines, we’re already headed in that direction.

Yes, it is already headed that way.

 

[campdavid23]

Restricting player movement would be huge or requiring the players (NIL) to sign 2-3 year agreements (rumored Campbell did this at Tech) would reduce the roster cherry pickings. One thing that doesn’t get discussed is donor fatigue and it does occur over time. Granted there is always new money some where to be found, but if 70MM spent at Tech would have produced a 7-5 team, you could see some donor regrets and that will happen.

 

[LVH]

Probably true. . . What’s also true is that Klieman has more cred in saying something like that because he’s not a guy who makes weak excuses for inexplicably terrible results. He’s also a guy who has a solid track record of consistently getting well above average results with below average resources. So when he says that, it doesn’t sound like a guy trying to rationalize poor performance.

He also came from an NDSU program that built itself up on.... culture, hard work and discipline. He, like Gary, is a coach from a different era. They can't succeed anymore on X's and O's and finding under recruited players to buy in and become successful if they follow the program's formula. He is probably wondering how the hell he can build a successful program with his roster constantly being tampered with every day of the year.

 

[HornedFrogAz]

Moneyball is the New Way.

What's frustrating is that the whole theme of that movie (and book) was finding value in players no one else saw.



If only we knew of a coach who did exactly that, taking two star recruits, having them play a different position, and they wind up in the NFL draft.

Not saying we should bring LHCGP back, or that he would even be willing at this point. He rightfully is enjoying the family time he missed out on during his career, and he deserves it. Just sadly ironic that the methods we will need to utilize to adapt to the new order of things in CFB was a skillset that came naturally to him.

 

[Wexahu]

What's frustrating is that the whole theme of that movie (and book) was finding value in players no one else saw.



If only we knew of a coach who did exactly that, taking two star recruits, having them play a different position, and they wind up in the NFL draft.

Not saying we should bring LHCGP back, or that he would even be willing at this point. He rightfully is enjoying the family time he missed out on during his career, and he deserves it. Just sadly ironic that the methods we will need to utilize to adapt to the new order of things in CFB was a skillset that came naturally to him.

GP would have to massively change the way he went about his business in this era of college football.

 

[tcudoc]

It’s already getting rained in.

Like my boots I left outside…

 

[BrewingFrog]

It’s already getting rained in. And there will be more restrictions.

I keep reading about this "reining in" stuff, but I am just a wee bit cynical about the assurances of those peddling such a tale given the last 5 decades of accelerating corruption by a notable few Programs. When those very Programs are the bell cows of the New Super Conference, and featured each and every week, I somehow doubt that they will face stringent oversight. Like the old joke ran, "Auburn bought a recruit a new Ferrari, so Boise State is going on probation."

 

[tcudoc]

What's frustrating is that the whole theme of that movie (and book) was finding value in players no one else saw.



If only we knew of a coach who did exactly that, taking two star recruits, having them play a different position, and they wind up in the NFL draft.

Not saying we should bring LHCGP back, or that he would even be willing at this point. He rightfully is enjoying the family time he missed out on during his career, and he deserves it. Just sadly ironic that the methods we will need to utilize to adapt to the new order of things in CFB was a skillset that came naturally to him.

The problem is, even if you find a few diamonds in the rough, they will last only one year, as the hawks circle around the “underpaid” talent. Every year would be a complete rebuild.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Uh...that was the reason for the sentence "the next GP, or Whittingham, or Petersen will be the guy who figures out the calculus of roster management."

Someone will figure out a way to do it better than the others. I have serious doubts it will be Dykes, though.

 

[HornedFrogAz]

The problem is, even if you find a few diamonds in the rough, they will last only one year, as the hawks circle around the “underpaid” talent. Every year would be a complete rebuild.

Agreed. I've said the same thing on here before. I really can't stand the NIL era and it will absolutely ruin the sport at the college level. Better it happen sooner than later so we can get to a rebuild.

 

[HornedFrogAz]

I keep reading about this "reining in" stuff, but I am just a wee bit cynical about the assurances of those peddling such a tale given the last 5 decades of accelerating corruption by a notable few Programs. When those very Programs are the bell cows of the New Super Conference, and featured each and every week, I somehow doubt that they will face stringent oversight. Like the old joke ran, "Auburn bought a recruit a new Ferrari, so Boise State is going on probation."

Being cynical about it is the only attitude that makes sense, other than for the fans of the "dynasty" programs that will feast like pigs at an overflowing trough because of this.

If you look at the rules as they currently are it's already painfully obvious they aren't being followed. And there were countless cases of players being paid under the table when it was forbidden. The ones most successful at it were typical the ones most dishonest about it (IE Saban's Alabama teams).

They can talk about new rules, restrictions, and guidelines until the cows come home. I don't believe it because it's never been enforced seriously or consistently, and outside of a coach, AD, or top level player spilling the beans unprovoked..... it will never affect the afformentioned hogs whose cup runneth over.