Some numbers on our new coach

[The Lurker]

I don't want this to get lost in the other thread. Interpret these as you choose.

Some numbers for the uninformed:

1. 71-62 career record over 12 years

2. 1 conference championship in 12 years, and that was in the WAC 10 years ago.

3. 5-22 against the top 25 overall, 3-7 at SMU with all 3 teams finishing the season unranked, two were ranked #25 when he beat them.

4. 1-3 in bowl games

5. Team defensive ranking (130 total teams)-

La Tech - 2010 - 89
La Tech - 2011 - 24
La Tech - 2012 - 110

Cal - 2013 - 99
Cal - 2014 - 105
Cal - 2015 - 79
Cal - 2016 - 115

SMU - 2018 - 63
SMU - 2019 - 65
SMU - 2020 - 81
SMU - 2020 - 74

The Cal stint on defense was historically bad, fielding one of the worst defenses during his tenure in the history of the program:

Sonny Dykes running out of chances to get Cal defense fixed

Cal is moving on to another defensive coordinator, but this isn't as simple as hiring a new assistant coach and hoping for the best.

www.espn.com

5. La Tech, over 3 years, 22-15 overall, 14-7 in conference,
Finished 5th, 1st, and 3rd in conference

At Cal, his only P5 experience, over 4 years, 19-39 overall, 10-26 in conference, Fired from Cal
Finished 6th, 4th, 4th, 4th (out of 6 schools in his division)

At SMU, 30-17 overall, 18-12 in conference
Finished 4th, 3rd, 5th, and could end up anywhere from 4th to 6th this season. Best finishes will be 3rd overall, with an average finish of 4th in the conference (11 schools)

6. Of SMU's 8 wins in 2021, not one has come against a D1 program with a wining record. He has lost his last 3 out of 4 games, beat La Tech on a hail Mary, and squeaked by Navy

7. Overall, at SMU, He's 2-7 on the road in the second half of the season, and those 2 wins came against teams that were a combined 5-14. One was a 3 point win and the other was a 10-point comeback against a one win team.

8. In November at SMU, overall he is 5-11

9. He has an overall losing record against teams that are .500 or better over his career.

10. Does not have one signature win tied to his name over 12 years.

11. Was named coach of the year once in the WAC (2011)

 

[tcuball3]

You wasted a lot of time posting all that

 

[CountryFrog]

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[TAINTed frog]

I don't want this to get lost in the other thread. Interpret these as you choose.

Some numbers for the uninformed:

1. 71-62 career record over 12 years

2. 1 conference championship in 12 years, and that was in the WAC 10 years ago.

3. 5-22 against the top 25 overall, 3-7 at SMU with all 3 teams finishing the season unranked, two were ranked #25 when he beat them.

4. 1-3 in bowl games

5. Team defensive ranking (130 total teams)-

La Tech - 2010 - 89
La Tech - 2011 - 24
La Tech - 2012 - 110

Cal - 2013 - 99
Cal - 2014 - 105
Cal - 2015 - 79
Cal - 2016 - 115

SMU - 2018 - 63
SMU - 2019 - 65
SMU - 2020 - 81
SMU - 2020 - 74

The Cal stint on defense was historically bad, fielding one of the worst defenses during his tenure in the history of the program:

Sonny Dykes running out of chances to get Cal defense fixed

Cal is moving on to another defensive coordinator, but this isn't as simple as hiring a new assistant coach and hoping for the best.

www.espn.com

5. La Tech, over 3 years, 22-15 overall, 14-7 in conference,
Finished 5th, 1st, and 3rd in conference

At Cal, his only P5 experience, over 4 years, 19-39 overall, 10-26 in conference, Fired from Cal
Finished 6th, 4th, 4th, 4th (out of 6 schools in his division)

At SMU, 30-17 overall, 18-12 in conference
Finished 4th, 3rd, 5th, and could end up anywhere from 4th to 6th this season. Best finishes will be 3rd overall, with an average finish of 4th in the conference (11 schools)

6. Of SMU's 8 wins in 2021, not one has come against a D1 program with a wining record. He has lost his last 3 out of 4 games, beat La Tech on a hail Mary, and squeaked by Navy

7. Overall, at SMU, He's 2-7 on the road in the second half of the season, and those 2 wins came against teams that were a combined 5-14. One was a 3 point win and the other was a 10-point comeback against a one win team.

8. In November at SMU, overall he is 5-11

9. He has an overall losing record against teams that are .500 or better over his career.

10. Does not have one signature win tied to his name over 12 years.

11. Was named coach of the year once in the WAC (2011)

 

[flyfishingfrog]

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3.14159265359

 

[BrewingFrog]

I don't want this to get lost in the other thread. Interpret these as you choose.

Some numbers for the uninformed:

1. 71-62 career record over 12 years

2. 1 conference championship in 12 years, and that was in the WAC 10 years ago.

3. 5-22 against the top 25 overall, 3-7 at SMU with all 3 teams finishing the season unranked, two were ranked #25 when he beat them.

4. 1-3 in bowl games

5. Team defensive ranking (130 total teams)-

La Tech - 2010 - 89
La Tech - 2011 - 24
La Tech - 2012 - 110

Cal - 2013 - 99
Cal - 2014 - 105
Cal - 2015 - 79
Cal - 2016 - 115

SMU - 2018 - 63
SMU - 2019 - 65
SMU - 2020 - 81
SMU - 2020 - 74

The Cal stint on defense was historically bad, fielding one of the worst defenses during his tenure in the history of the program:

Sonny Dykes running out of chances to get Cal defense fixed

Cal is moving on to another defensive coordinator, but this isn't as simple as hiring a new assistant coach and hoping for the best.

www.espn.com

5. La Tech, over 3 years, 22-15 overall, 14-7 in conference,
Finished 5th, 1st, and 3rd in conference

At Cal, his only P5 experience, over 4 years, 19-39 overall, 10-26 in conference, Fired from Cal
Finished 6th, 4th, 4th, 4th (out of 6 schools in his division)

At SMU, 30-17 overall, 18-12 in conference
Finished 4th, 3rd, 5th, and could end up anywhere from 4th to 6th this season. Best finishes will be 3rd overall, with an average finish of 4th in the conference (11 schools)

6. Of SMU's 8 wins in 2021, not one has come against a D1 program with a wining record. He has lost his last 3 out of 4 games, beat La Tech on a hail Mary, and squeaked by Navy

7. Overall, at SMU, He's 2-7 on the road in the second half of the season, and those 2 wins came against teams that were a combined 5-14. One was a 3 point win and the other was a 10-point comeback against a one win team.

8. In November at SMU, overall he is 5-11

9. He has an overall losing record against teams that are .500 or better over his career.

10. Does not have one signature win tied to his name over 12 years.

11. Was named coach of the year once in the WAC (2011)

Go pound sand.

 

[Peacefrog]

I don't want this to get lost in the other thread. Interpret these as you choose.

Some numbers for the uninformed:

1. 71-62 career record over 12 years

2. 1 conference championship in 12 years, and that was in the WAC 10 years ago.

3. 5-22 against the top 25 overall, 3-7 at SMU with all 3 teams finishing the season unranked, two were ranked #25 when he beat them.

4. 1-3 in bowl games

5. Team defensive ranking (130 total teams)-

La Tech - 2010 - 89
La Tech - 2011 - 24
La Tech - 2012 - 110

Cal - 2013 - 99
Cal - 2014 - 105
Cal - 2015 - 79
Cal - 2016 - 115

SMU - 2018 - 63
SMU - 2019 - 65
SMU - 2020 - 81
SMU - 2020 - 74

The Cal stint on defense was historically bad, fielding one of the worst defenses during his tenure in the history of the program:

Sonny Dykes running out of chances to get Cal defense fixed

Cal is moving on to another defensive coordinator, but this isn't as simple as hiring a new assistant coach and hoping for the best.

www.espn.com

5. La Tech, over 3 years, 22-15 overall, 14-7 in conference,
Finished 5th, 1st, and 3rd in conference

At Cal, his only P5 experience, over 4 years, 19-39 overall, 10-26 in conference, Fired from Cal
Finished 6th, 4th, 4th, 4th (out of 6 schools in his division)

At SMU, 30-17 overall, 18-12 in conference
Finished 4th, 3rd, 5th, and could end up anywhere from 4th to 6th this season. Best finishes will be 3rd overall, with an average finish of 4th in the conference (11 schools)

6. Of SMU's 8 wins in 2021, not one has come against a D1 program with a wining record. He has lost his last 3 out of 4 games, beat La Tech on a hail Mary, and squeaked by Navy

7. Overall, at SMU, He's 2-7 on the road in the second half of the season, and those 2 wins came against teams that were a combined 5-14. One was a 3 point win and the other was a 10-point comeback against a one win team.

8. In November at SMU, overall he is 5-11

9. He has an overall losing record against teams that are .500 or better over his career.

10. Does not have one signature win tied to his name over 12 years.

11. Was named coach of the year once in the WAC (2011)

Nick Saban had a .585 record at Michigan State. I can’t believe LSU ever hired that guy because it’s impossible to ever get better at something.

 

[flyfishingfrog]

Nick Saban had a .585 record at Michigan State. I can’t believe LSU ever hired that guy because it’s impossible to ever get better at something.

Seriously? That is what you got?

A guy that 34-24 overall and 23-16 in his first P5 job vs a guy that was pretty close to the exact opposite at 19-30 overall and 10-26 in conference at his only P5 HC job?

Sonny LIFETIME winning percentage isn’t as good as Saban was at Mich State

Try harder to act like he is a good choice and not just the best our AD and team could do

 

[Peacefrog]

Seriously? That is what you got?

A guy that 34-24 overall and 23-16 in his first P5 job vs a guy that was pretty close to the exact opposite at 19-30 overall and 10-26 in conference at his only P5 HC job?

Sonny LIFETIME winning percentage isn’t as good as Saban was at Mich State

Try harder to act like he is a good choice and not just the best our AD and team could do

You’re such a boring old coot. Lighten up.

 

[Eight]

46-41

 

[froginaustin]

You wasted a lot of time cutting and pasting all that

FIFY

 

[y2kFrog]

Pearce was 2-8 the one year he was there as an assistant. No way this will ever work…

 

[Prince of Purpoole II]

I don't want this to get lost in the other thread. Interpret these as you choose.

Some numbers for the uninformed:

1. 71-62 career record over 12 years

2. 1 conference championship in 12 years, and that was in the WAC 10 years ago.

3. 5-22 against the top 25 overall, 3-7 at SMU with all 3 teams finishing the season unranked, two were ranked #25 when he beat them.

4. 1-3 in bowl games

5. Team defensive ranking (130 total teams)-

La Tech - 2010 - 89
La Tech - 2011 - 24
La Tech - 2012 - 110

Cal - 2013 - 99
Cal - 2014 - 105
Cal - 2015 - 79
Cal - 2016 - 115

SMU - 2018 - 63
SMU - 2019 - 65
SMU - 2020 - 81
SMU - 2020 - 74

The Cal stint on defense was historically bad, fielding one of the worst defenses during his tenure in the history of the program:

Sonny Dykes running out of chances to get Cal defense fixed

Cal is moving on to another defensive coordinator, but this isn't as simple as hiring a new assistant coach and hoping for the best.

www.espn.com

5. La Tech, over 3 years, 22-15 overall, 14-7 in conference,
Finished 5th, 1st, and 3rd in conference

At Cal, his only P5 experience, over 4 years, 19-39 overall, 10-26 in conference, Fired from Cal
Finished 6th, 4th, 4th, 4th (out of 6 schools in his division)

At SMU, 30-17 overall, 18-12 in conference
Finished 4th, 3rd, 5th, and could end up anywhere from 4th to 6th this season. Best finishes will be 3rd overall, with an average finish of 4th in the conference (11 schools)

6. Of SMU's 8 wins in 2021, not one has come against a D1 program with a wining record. He has lost his last 3 out of 4 games, beat La Tech on a hail Mary, and squeaked by Navy

7. Overall, at SMU, He's 2-7 on the road in the second half of the season, and those 2 wins came against teams that were a combined 5-14. One was a 3 point win and the other was a 10-point comeback against a one win team.

8. In November at SMU, overall he is 5-11

9. He has an overall losing record against teams that are .500 or better over his career.

10. Does not have one signature win tied to his name over 12 years.

11. Was named coach of the year once in the WAC (2011)

This is happening so you may as well come to terms with it. You seem to be bouncing between bargaining and anger in dealing with your grief.

 

[The Lurker]

This is happening so you may as well come to terms with it. You seem to be bouncing between bargaining and anger in dealing with your grief.

I'm trying to come around on this, I really am, but every time I try and talk myself into this new reality, I look at the numbers and think, "what in the hell are we doing, this makes absolutely no sense."

So yeah, I'm struggling with it, and I'm pretty much pissed-off at the world right now. I don't know if I should be mad at GP for letting this program fall to the depths its at, and the repercussions that has put forth in the coaching search, or mad at JD, the committee, and the big money guys for zeroing in on a guy like Sonny Dykes, despite every number I rattled off above.

My new thought process is I'll wait for the staff hires, maybe that will give me some hope, despite the guy at top.

Obviously I thought TCU would be able to draw a much better candidates to the table, everyone seems to think this is a great job, etc. So I've come to the conclusion this job is not near as attractive as I thought it was, or our AD and committee did an absolutely awful job.

Time should heal all of this, a couple big recruiting wins, or a kick ass DC would provide a ray of light, but after a half decade of bad football and lackluster Saturday's in the fall, I'm ready to start winning and winning big, I don't want to waster another three to four years, and my gut tells me that is where this is headed.

 

[Eight]

I'm trying to come around on this, I really am, but every time I try and talk myself into this new reality, I look at the numbers and think, "what in the hell are we doing, this makes absolutely no sense."

So yeah, I'm struggling with it, and I'm pretty much pissed-off at the world right now. I don't know if I should be mad at GP for letting this program fall to the depths its at, and the repercussions that has put forth in the coaching search, or mad at JD, the committee, and the big money guys for zeroing in on a guy like Sonny Dykes, despite every number I rattled off above.

My new thought process is I'll wait for the staff hires, maybe that will give me some hope, despite the guy at top.

Obviously I thought TCU would be able to draw a much better candidates to the table, everyone seems to think this is a great job, etc. So I've come to the conclusion this job is not near as attractive as I thought it was, or our AD and committee did an absolutely awful job.

Time should heal all of this, a couple big recruiting wins, or a kick ass DC would provide a ray of light, but after a half decade of bad football and lackluster Saturday's in the fall, I'm ready to start winning and winning big, I don't want to waster another three to four years, and my gut tells me that is where this is headed.

who is "everyone" and please don't reference the urban meyer quote

empty seats don't help sell the product to outsiders, but a big part of that goes back to paying for the sins committed to build the stadium and the product that has been put on the field at premium prices

 

[The Lurker]

This fanbase is the main culprit, all the Kool aid Drinkers on the message boards, etc. Some articles that pop up here and there, some podcast that mentioned the attractiveness of the job.

I personally think this job probably slots somewhere between 35 and 50 nationally. 35 was probably in play before the last couple of years, and before the realignment stuff dropped and hurt the perception of the Big 12 and it's future. The job was much more attractive a couple of years ago, Gary and realignment did some damage. They would have never done it, but letting Gary go in 2019 was probably the right play, the downtrend had been established, and we would have been in a much more favorable poistion to hire a coach

50 is probably more accurate now, I think that is fair

Please elaborate on your above statement, not sure I see where you are going with it....

"but a big part of that goes back to paying for the sins committed to build the stadium and the product that has been put on the field at premium prices"

 

[Fosterpark Squatter]

I don't want this to get lost in the other thread. Interpret these as you choose.

Some numbers for the uninformed:

1. 71-62 career record over 12 years

2. 1 conference championship in 12 years, and that was in the WAC 10 years ago.

3. 5-22 against the top 25 overall, 3-7 at SMU with all 3 teams finishing the season unranked, two were ranked #25 when he beat them.

4. 1-3 in bowl games

5. Team defensive ranking (130 total teams)-

La Tech - 2010 - 89
La Tech - 2011 - 24
La Tech - 2012 - 110

Cal - 2013 - 99
Cal - 2014 - 105
Cal - 2015 - 79
Cal - 2016 - 115

SMU - 2018 - 63
SMU - 2019 - 65
SMU - 2020 - 81
SMU - 2020 - 74

The Cal stint on defense was historically bad, fielding one of the worst defenses during his tenure in the history of the program:

Sonny Dykes running out of chances to get Cal defense fixed

Cal is moving on to another defensive coordinator, but this isn't as simple as hiring a new assistant coach and hoping for the best.

www.espn.com

5. La Tech, over 3 years, 22-15 overall, 14-7 in conference,
Finished 5th, 1st, and 3rd in conference

At Cal, his only P5 experience, over 4 years, 19-39 overall, 10-26 in conference, Fired from Cal
Finished 6th, 4th, 4th, 4th (out of 6 schools in his division)

At SMU, 30-17 overall, 18-12 in conference
Finished 4th, 3rd, 5th, and could end up anywhere from 4th to 6th this season. Best finishes will be 3rd overall, with an average finish of 4th in the conference (11 schools)

6. Of SMU's 8 wins in 2021, not one has come against a D1 program with a wining record. He has lost his last 3 out of 4 games, beat La Tech on a hail Mary, and squeaked by Navy

7. Overall, at SMU, He's 2-7 on the road in the second half of the season, and those 2 wins came against teams that were a combined 5-14. One was a 3 point win and the other was a 10-point comeback against a one win team.

8. In November at SMU, overall he is 5-11

9. He has an overall losing record against teams that are .500 or better over his career.

10. Does not have one signature win tied to his name over 12 years.

11. Was named coach of the year once in the WAC (2011)

The defensive rankings seem inline with a Leach disciple.

 

[The Lurker]

The defensive rankings seem inline with a Leach disciple.

From the attached article, you nailed it:

"Of the 43 teams in the country that have averaged more than 32 points per game in the last four years, only two have a losing record: Cal (Dykes) and Texas Tech."

 

[Christcu]

Yuck

 

[TCUWIN]

Well, all we can do is support Dykes. If he comes in with a good offense and a bad defense, we are in the same position we are currently in. If he can improve the defense and make the players play at their level, we have an improvement. But it definitely doesn’t help to tear him down now. He is what we have. Administration is not going to fire Dykes before he coaches a game because everyone complains. Let’s hope for the best and see what happens.