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<blockquote data-quote="gohornedfrogs" data-source="post: 3157666" data-attributes="member: 3599">Go look at the historical data. Even when the UK had lots of gun availability, their murder/use rate was far lower than ours per capita.For your edification:&nbsp; <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell</a>Gun control zealots' choice of Britain for comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States.You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.Guns are not the problem. People are the problem – including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gohornedfrogs, post: 3157666, member: 3599"] Go look at the historical data. Even when the UK had lots of gun availability, their murder/use rate was far lower than ours per capita. For your edification: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell[/URL] [I]Gun control zealots' choice of Britain for comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States. You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem – including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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