Rewatching the UT game

[jake102]

Boykin will be a much more developed passer next season, and by the time he's a junior, it'll be a night and day difference.

I'm looking forward to junior season Boykin.

 

[back_in_black]

One pass was batted up into the air at the line and BCarter made a diving catch for a 4 yard gain. Another pass was a WR screen to Skye that he had to dive for to pick up 1 yard. Two passes were to BJCatalon.

The two passes to Fuller and one pass to LDBrown are the only notable passing plays in the entire game for us.

Until our line can learn to pass block expect more running. We should've done the same thing against KSU. We didn't run enough. Boykin has proven he can throw against Tech and Baylor. Against Texas he used his feet and extended several drives and didn't force things that weren't there.

 

[PhillyFrog]

I think we'll end up being more aggressive in the passing game this week simply because OK has a better offense than UT. On the other hand, we left 11 points on the table last Saturday; it could easily have been a 31-6 lead in the fourth quarter.

Also, it would not surprise me one whit if we were to knock Landry out of the game. He has the same tendency as Pachall: holding on to the ball too long, waiting for his receivers to uncover. Pierson only has to sit on him once. BYU did the same thing to him last year in Arlington, and they ended up getting rolled by the Mormons.

I also expect to see quite a bit of option from Boykin. AFA ate them up with it last year, and it really tests an impatient defense.

 

[Shadow Dweller]

I'm looking forward to junior season Boykin.

Here's the question though. How good is Matthews going to be and will Boykin stay as the backup roll to him, assuming CP4 comes back next year. If he does both Boykin and Matthews get an extra year of practice and I think we see Boyin comming in to run plays akin to Matt Brown last year and/or the WildFrog.

 

[jake102]

Here's the question though. How good is Matthews going to be and will Boykin stay as the backup roll to him, assuming CP4 comes back next year. If he does both Boykin and Matthews get an extra year of practice and I think we see Boyin comming in to run plays akin to Matt Brown last year and/or the WildFrog.

I'm saying that with no knowledge of Matthews. I've heard conflicting reports on him at this point... some say he's great, others say he's not close.

 

[Purple Daze]

I remember the broadcasters say that the Texas d-line doesn't react or try to anticipate zone read plays and what not. They just charge full force for better/worse and if they miss, hope that their linebackers and safeties clean up.

I think that along with having success running it those first two series, and thankfully getting ahead early, pretty much went into "If it ain't broke don't fix it" mode.

No, I'm not going to want Boykin to throw 60 times a game in order for us to win, but I'm not going to say the passing offense bites rear end either. 7/9 is a good percentage and the only one he really threw bad was the one picked.

I'm not sure if he was injured throwing or not, could have also played in effect, but we had success the first few times, keep doing it.

And, as mentioned above, a few pass plays turned into running plays due to UT's aggressiveness, thankfully which Boykin also exploited in most of his scrambles when they were necessary.

Think you are spot on here... UT's d-line was attacking up the field, and TCU was happy to let them do that as long as we cleared them from the point of attack or near. That and UT blitzing helped our run game early and we continually creased them. Once UT got hip to the fact that we were allowing them upfield and then using leverage to provide a crease they slowed down the penetrating a bit and had more success stopping our run.

 

[neo926]

Here's the question though. How good is Matthews going to be and will Boykin stay as the backup roll to him, assuming CP4 comes back next year. If he does both Boykin and Matthews get an extra year of practice and I think we see Boyin comming in to run plays akin to Matt Brown last year and/or the WildFrog.

Meh, Matthews doesn't exist at the moment. Maybe he's great and Boykin becomes the next Marcus Jackson. Maybe he needs time to develop and Boykin gets another couple years to start. Who knows. As it is I think it's only fair to assume Boykin will be starting come 2014.

 

[frognutz]

I think there were some more pass plays called, but they turned into quarterback runs because Texas was bringing a lot of pressure. They have been telling Boykin to run more if he doesn't see someone open right away, and that's what he did.

^^ This

 

[frogbyproxy]

Meh, Matthews doesn't exist at the moment. Maybe he's great and Boykin becomes the next Marcus Jackson. Maybe he needs time to develop and Boykin gets another couple years to start. Who knows. As it is I think it's only fair to assume Boykin will be starting come 2014.

I've often wondered about the dreaded burning of a redshirt! You've got a player that is learning the system and if you play him the last game of the year he loses it! But at the same time if you burn it the last game(excluding Bowl game) he has two great quarterbacks coming back next year why not redshirt him again? No matter what the player will not play one year because of Boykin coming back then there is Casey coming back. The Oklahoma game is going to show the world of things to come! If Matthews is as good as they say with the arm let him air it out against Oklahoma.

 

[jake102]

I've often wondered about the dreaded burning of a redshirt! You've got a player that is learning the system and if you play him the last game of the year he loses it! But at the same time if you burn it the last game(excluding Bowl game) he has two great quarterbacks coming back next year why not redshirt him again? No matter what the player will not play one year because of Boykin coming back then there is Casey coming back. The Oklahoma game is going to show the world of things to come! If Matthews is as good as they say with the arm let him air it out against Oklahoma.

I hope I get as drunk as you tonight.

 

[frogbyproxy]

I hope I get as drunk as you tonight.

It's the meds It's the med's! :tongue: What I'm saying is "If he was as good as they say he would already be playing". He's Still in the learning faze just like Casey was". But if he "is" as good as they say it wouldn't hurt to redshirt him next year!

 

[SwissArmyFrog]

I hope Matt Brown has more success as a receiver than as a quarterback.

Glad we stopped with the option - we ran it once or twice vs. Texas, but don't think we pitched it...maybe by design.

I keep wondering why on earth doesn't the fly sweep with Skye Dawson ever work? Most it seems we ever get out if it is one or two yards.

 

[Lone Frog]

We did pretty well with the fly sweep against Baylor. But then, that was Baylor.

 

[frognutz]

I've often wondered about the dreaded burning of a redshirt! You've got a player that is learning the system and if you play him the last game of the year he loses it! But at the same time if you burn it the last game(excluding Bowl game) he has two great quarterbacks coming back next year why not redshirt him again? No matter what the player will not play one year because of Boykin coming back then there is Casey coming back. The Oklahoma game is going to show the world of things to come! If Matthews is as good as they say with the arm let him air it out against Oklahoma.

Easily your dumbest post ever.

 

[frogbyproxy]

Easily your dumbest post ever.

Just curious but what's the redshirt rule? If you play a player anytime during the redshirt year he loses the redshirt! Can he redshirt the following year? Yes!

Does he have a chance to play next year with Boykin and Casey coming back? Doubtful!

Does Boykin have the arm (not 100%) or technique to pass this year? You be the judge!

Does Oklahoma have the best defensive back scheme this year? Yes!

Will TCU have to pass and run to win against OU? Yes!

Will TCU play Matthew against OU? No!

Sorry was just stating the obvious which is CGP will put the best players on the field against OU! So your saying "If" he was capable of helping TCU win against OU we wouldn't do it because we don't want him to play because of a redshirt that can be put back on next year? That would be the dumbest post to me!

 

[frognutz]

Just curious but what's the redshirt rule? If you play a player anytime during the redshirt year he loses the redshirt! Can he redshirt the following year? Yes!

Does he have a chance to play next year with Boykin and Casey coming back? Doubtful!

Does Boykin have the arm (not 100%) or technique to pass this year? You be the judge!

Does Oklahoma have the best defensive back scheme this year? Yes!

Will TCU have to pass and run to win against OU? Yes!

Will TCU play Matthew against OU? No!

Sorry was just stating the obvious which is CGP will put the best players on the field against OU! So your saying "If" he was capable of helping TCU win against OU we wouldn't do it because we don't want him to play because of a redshirt that can be put back on next year? That would be the dumbest post to me!

I think Patterson would rather have him available an entire season to play mop up time than throw him to the wolves against the best team in the conference trying to win a conference title, but that's just me.

 

[bleedpurple]

I've often wondered about the dreaded burning of a redshirt! You've got a player that is learning the system and if you play him the last game of the year he loses it! But at the same time if you burn it the last game(excluding Bowl game) he has two great quarterbacks coming back next year why not redshirt him again? No matter what the player will not play one year because of Boykin coming back then there is Casey coming back. The Oklahoma game is going to show the world of things to come! If Matthews is as good as they say with the arm let him air it out against Oklahoma.

Crazy.....crazy like a fox

 

[froginaustin]

Crazy.....crazy like a fox

Never having had the problem, personally, of TWO bench-warming years back-to-back, I'm not really confident in my comment, but . . .

I would hate to be a redshirt a whole damn season, then be thrown in as an inexperienced player facing one of the toughest defenses around for one game (or a part of one game), and then come back the next year and face being a redshirt the whole damn season again. That would have to be discouraging, and maybe make a transfer to an FCS school seem like a possibility.

It'd be different in the Nick Florence situation, where Nick burned a redshirt because the starter wasn't able to go, and then got a chance to start the next year. But to play maybe 10 - 15 minutes of football the first 2 years on the squad, and like it, would take an awful lot of dedication.

 

[frogbyproxy]

I think Patterson would rather have him available an entire season to play mop up time than throw him to the wolves against the best team in the conference trying to win a conference title, but that's just me.

I'll agree with you there! Earlier I was just showing an option "IF" he was as good as everyone was saying. If all goes as planned for next year he will be on the sideline and maybe get into a game in the fourth quarter.

Never having had the problem, personally, of TWO bench-warming years back-to-back, I'm not really confident in my comment, but . . .

I would hate to be a redshirt a whole damn season, then be thrown in as an inexperienced player facing one of the toughest defenses around for one game (or a part of one game), and then come back the next year and face being a redshirt the whole damn season again. That would have to be discouraging, and maybe make a transfer to an FCS school seem like a possibility.

It'd be different in the Nick Florence situation, where Nick burned a redshirt because the starter wasn't able to go, and then got a chance to start the next year. But to play maybe 10 - 15 minutes of football the first 2 years on the squad, and like it, would take an awful lot of dedication.

It's the big question mark right now with Boykin nursing his arm. I wouldn't want to burn the redshirt either but if he's really needed I think it would throw a monkey wrench in OU's game plan. :tongue:

 

[Limp Lizard]

Back to watching the game again. Catalon's long run....My one big thought was "B J, tuck your damn shirttail in!" He made a great cutback late in his long run, and the Texas player just stuck out an arm and grabbed his shirttail and pulled him down. It's a lot harder to shake off a Div-I player who grabs just your shirt than a high school player. That very well could have been a long TD run for BJ with a tucked in shirt. Brown was downfield ready to block the last defender (but since BJ was pulled down by his shirt, Brown almost had a block-in-the-back!)