Big Frog II
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I love Gary, but his teams were not the same once Bumpas retired. He and Gary worked so well together.
On3: Anonymous Big 12 coach feels 2025 season 'really matters' for Sonny Dykes' future
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BrewingFrog
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Bumpas could tell Gary that he was full of crap on a particular subject, and Gary would listen. Once he was gone, there was no one who could tell Gary he was full of crap that he would listen to. All the Old Guys were gone, and all that were left were the guys that would not tell Gary that he was full of crap. Yes Men make bad staff, and it showed...
4 Oaks Frog
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No doubt! But unless he grew a set of wheels during off season, there is no threat of him burning an opponent with his legs. Sonny/Tape Fingers HAS to find a ground game. Hoover can’t do it all with his arm…
TopFrog
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He doesn’t have to. He just needs to be able to see and know when to take off and make a positive play.
4 Oaks Frog
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I agree with this, too. But, does he have the ability to run well enough to be a threat, and if so, will Sonny allow it?
SD's career accomplishments aren't going to match GP's, for a variety of reasons. I think GP was a great coach until about the mid 2010's (duh), but I think over the last 5-6 years of his tenure, he was average at best. I no longer thought, when watching the majority of our games, that we had the better coached team. So if you were to ask me who is/was a better coach post 2015 I would say Sonny Dykes without hesitation. Heck, he took a 5-7 Gary Patterson team and won 13 games the very next year, and beat GP in the last two head to head matchups they had.
My position on this is that it is some serious revisionist history to pretend like SD took over a solid program and has let it deteriorate in the last few years. He inherited a mess and a team that had played below .500 football over the previous four seasons, and I don't think a good portion of the fan base, because of some weird personal dislike for the guy, gives him enough credit or even wants to see him succeed. And I think the idea that things were better before he got here, like so many seem to imply, is ridiculous. If that makes me sound like his agent, so be it.
froginmn
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If anybody has one of those statues let me know where you got it.
I'd love to see the look on my wife's face when she sees that in our yard.
Frozen Frog
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Maybe Rhett Lashlee made Dykes better. I think this is Johnny Tapefingers last year regardless of the season. He’s going to get other opportunities or he will end up in the abyss. The seat is getting warm for Dykes, but definitely not hot. Overall I think Dykes is a good manager of a program.
If you are going to terminate Dykes you need a great option as a replacement. Only one I can think of that might consider the job is Lincoln Reilly.
If you are going to terminate Dykes you need a great option as a replacement. Only one I can think of that might consider the job is Lincoln Reilly.
Exactly. And it'll be hard to find a great replacement who won't pack up his bags and leave for a higher profile job at the first opportunity. There may come a time when SD needs to go. Heck, it might be as soon as after this next year if the wheels start really coming off the program. But until then, I don't know why people can't be supportive, because all things considered he's done a pretty damn good job in his time here.
FrogAbroad
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Dogfrog
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Who said Sonny took over a solid program? I didn’t. I give him full credit for his one great season, but I am talking about an overall career. You’ve got to have something personal against GP to say he was nothing without Bumpas. Bumpas was awesome, our best coordinator by far, nothing against him. But GP was Franchione’s DC in 1998 Sun Bowl, and I believe national coordinator of the year if I recall correctly? And after replacing DF he had a 10-win and an 11-win season before Bumpas even arrived in 2004. The program did go downhill his last several seasons without Bumpas, but as head coach you have to give him credit for hiring and keeping Bumpas. No question it was time for him to go, but you cant take his career away from him.
Mean Purple
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yup
Mean Purple
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awesome
NewFrogFan
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To me last season the RB issues were evident early on. I hope the trend of way too many players transferring to “where” type programs is a fluke and not a trend.
NewFrogFan
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That 2014 team was legendary.
gohornedfrogs
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Given that UT and OU are no longer in the conference, I don’t think it’s unrealistic for TCU to be a top 2 or 3 team perennially, with frequent conference championships.
On paper, the top 3 programs are TCU, Utah and KState. We should never be out of reach of those teams. Will there be seasons where we finish in the middle? Sure. But we should compete for championships more often than we finish 6th.
westoverhillbilly
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We may very well be in the early stages of non-commuter schools in cities (TCU, SMU, USC, UCLA) having a distinct advantage over rural outpost programs. We're at the stage where AA and other players are eager to escape Stillwater, Fayetteville, College Station, Starkville, ad, especially when there's adequate NIL money.
When my son attended U of Arkansas 13 years ago (pre-transfer portal), I talked to some of the bored football players sitting in lawn chairs outside of their dorm with nothing to do and no community of their own people there in redneckville. I asked the players if they'd choose to come to Arkansas if they had to do it over again and the answer was all negative. From all acounts I've read and seen, players really like it here. There's so many great-looking girls here and that's soooo important and TCU's big advantage!
When my son attended U of Arkansas 13 years ago (pre-transfer portal), I talked to some of the bored football players sitting in lawn chairs outside of their dorm with nothing to do and no community of their own people there in redneckville. I asked the players if they'd choose to come to Arkansas if they had to do it over again and the answer was all negative. From all acounts I've read and seen, players really like it here. There's so many great-looking girls here and that's soooo important and TCU's big advantage!
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Bum Phillips once said the mark of a great Running back was whether you could place a football on the top of his ass crack and it fell off in less than a couple of seconds.
We(the purely amateur recruiting people) really need to get off of this model of recruiting 5'8" 189 Lb dudes. Sure. there are some anomalies like RJ Harvey out of UCF who is about to light up the NFL. He obviously lit our donkey up last year. Hey let's say recruit a guy at 5' 11" plus and 217 Lbs plus who runs a 4.7 40. Recruit a guy who runs a 4.68 40 but is almost 6 ' 230 but is a bowling pin deluxe who can move the chains. We don't have any of those6' 220 lb kids on our recruiting prospects. I'm all for recruiting kids that are superstar 3-4 stars. DO NOT neglect the 2 star or low 83 3 stars who can literally change THE PROGRAM.
westoverhillbilly
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I enjoy watching Stanford occasionally cultivate a tough running back who runs the defense down like I did the classic Nebraska guys under Osborne. Kendre came in here and was a tough runner on day 1. Guys like Kendre make offensive lines shine. I miss that kind of football but I'd rather win. In high school, we played a team that cared more about playing dirty and tough than winning and they rarely won.
I'm beyond somewhat alarmed by your post that there have not been more replies.
Simply take Talent Evaluation from your post. If you go to On3 or 247, TCU regularly has 50% to 70% of what other schools have in terms of offers. For instance, if Ohio State, Florida, Nebraska, S. Carolina or another 4 dozen schools have 250 to 300+ offers in the 2026 Cycle, TCU has 150 +- 20%. Take a look at 2027 offers. TCU is down 40% to 70% vs most other schools in the B12.
There are at least 5 areas where TCU is below woeful when approaching recruiting and I'll comment on 2 1) geographical diversity and 2) Brahma Bull dominance in the trenches.
If you have an offensive tackle drafted by the KC Chiefs who was recruited from Connecticut you should go back to Connecticut and attempt to sweep the state for the next 10 years--- Fail.
If you have a QB who was a Heisman runner up you go back to IOWA and work work it against fading Ferentz and baseball hat Campbell and do almost whatever is necessary to get players from CT IA. At least make some Scholly offers in NC SC WY NJ Illinois and elsewhere. We are not making offers in pretty much everywhere other than Texas and even SMU is kicking our ass. The major point is there are young men in Idaho, Utah, Arkansas, Pennsylvania, Alabama, Illinois, Missouri that our crack staff has been ignoring for years.
Bull dominance .... We have some kind of strange strange tendency to recruit Defensive Lineman that are 265 Lbs out of HS and hope to beef em up to real 300 Lb Lineman. The solution may be to target the "Giants" at 17YO who are 2 stars 3 stars at 300Lbs + Trim them down, increase muscle mass with Kaz and have real plan to redshirt them and play them 18 months later.
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