berryfrog95
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Under 9.5 Texas
Over 7.5 TCU
Over 9.5 Michigan
Under 9.5 Notre Dame
Over 7.5 TCU
Over 9.5 Michigan
Under 9.5 Notre Dame
Official 2019 Degenerate Gambler Thread
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Eight
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michigan is the one i just struggle with as i just don't completely trust harbaugh offensively or they have learned from prior mistakes defensively.
toss-up games for me with the wolverines are:
@ wisconsin
@ psu then followed by home w nd
home with ohio state.
Is this just for the normal 12-game regular season I would assume? Or does it include CCGs as well?
In the trading world that would be called picking up pennies in front of a steam roller.
ticketfrog123
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Always a 12 game regular season. Different books have different rules on if a game gets cancelled like WVU/NCST last year
berryfrog95
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Yeah, I do see where your coming from. But if Harbaugh is going to produce, now is the time with Ohio State slightly down and go 2-2 in those 4 games you mention resulting in 10-2.
LVH
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Last year if a $100 per game bettor placed a ML bet on every ML favorite of -500 or higher they would have lost $2,130
$100 bettor on -1000 favorites would have lost $1,600
Here are some favorites of -1000 or higher that lost last year
Northwestern -1450 vs. Akron
Florida Atlantic -1000 vs. UNC Charlotte
Colorado -2800 vs. Oregon State
San Diego State -1650 vs. UNLV
Virginia Tech -7300 vs. Old Dominion
Colorado State -1100 vs. Hawaii
berryfrog95
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LVH
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I bet $100 on the Orioles last week and won $390 on them beating the Astros
Bob Sugar
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Michigan is going to lose to Army in week 2.
Froggish
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Somewhere there's a Michigan fan on a forum making the same exact statement about TCU and GP.....
Eight
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maybe, but any michigan alum/fan i know would never view their program at the same level as tcu so they wouldn't see the correlation.
Showtime Joe 2.0
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While in Vegas last week, the kind folks at the D’s Circa Sports Book gave me even odds on the Frogs over 7 1/2 wins for well over their maximum bet limit. By comparison, the vaunted Super Book at the Westgate had the Frogs at -120 and, based upon past experiences there, would’ve worsened those odds had I wanted to bet more than the max. Similarly, the overrated book at the South Point wouldn’t even take a bet on the Frogs nor would any of the pathetic Boyd properties. The D’s visionary owner, Derek Stephens, is quickly establishing his new sports book as the very best in Vegas as well as revitalizing the whole downtown strip. Kudos to him.
ticketfrog123
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Hard to believe this. Unless you randomly put down 5 figures, I can’t see your bet causing an ordeal at south point.
It sounds like you’re claiming your large bet would’ve somehow moved the line from current juice.
Not sure what the point of spreading false information is. Frogs opened at +120 on the over and this was bet down to even (+100) with higher than expected money from sharps and/or commoners.
The lines are not that different across major sportsbooks in Vegas. Caesar’s & Westgate opened without TCU 7.5 for +120 and +130.
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Showtime Joe 2.0
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I think you misunderstood me. The Frogs are not even listed on the Total Wins sheet at South Point nor at the Boyd properties so they won’t take bets either way on them. And, yes, the Westgate (when it was LVH) changed the odds against me four times a few years ago when I was making futures bets on the Frogs (I know I should’ve gone elsewhere after placing my first bet but I had a plane to catch). Furthermore, Sam’s Town (which takes its marching orders from the Orleans) limited the amount I wanted to bet a few months ago on the Clemson money line in the national championship game and then worsened the odds against me before they accepted a second bet from me on Clemson (once again, sadly, I was on my way out of town). So I apologize if I didn’t express myself clearly in my last post but please don’t accuse me of spreading “false information.” I was just relating how pleased I was with the way I was treated at the D last week. The sports book’s supervisor there simply asked me how much I wanted to bet on the Frogs in excess of their stated maximum bet at even odds and he accepted my bet. As noted, that has not been my experience at other Vegas casinos. Don’t doubt Derek Stephens. He really is running an old-fashioned book that gives the gambler a fair shake. Give the D a shot yourself if you don’t believe me.
ticketfrog123
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I can understand the south point lack of lines because they lost a bookmaker (temporarily) to the Rivers in Pittsburgh as he helped opened the book or promote it and returned to south point very recently
Their other bookmaker has had a very public bone marrow transplant and recovery...so no need to criticize their book.
I think you might’ve been mistaken for a bet runner...typically books will reject large bets from people they don’t know...giving you an adjusted juice isn’t that crazy
Showtime Joe 2.0
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First of all, I know that Chris Andrews has been sick and I wish him well. I read his book, "Then One Day: 40 Years of Bookmaking in Nevada," and recommend it highly. I also have great respect for Jimmy Vaccaro and I realize he just moved back to Vegas recently. But for all the hype it gets, the South Point should be more than just a one-or-two-man operation. Plus, you can't smoke stogies in their book, which is bogus. So I'll stand by my comment that it's "overrated."
Secondly, I doubt that anyone in Vegas would confuse me for a "runner." I've been somewhat of a fixture there for years, having placed my first sizable football bet at the old Stardust back in 1996. I always show my driver's license and player's card wherever I bet and I'm always dressed in TCU garb. They know who I am.
Thirdly, Boyd Gaming should certainly show me more respect given the action they've gotten from me recently. I've had my room comped at Sam's Town for 22 days this year alone; not only do they chauffeur me to and from the airport but they also drive me to Mass and back on Sundays. Perhaps the problem is that the Boyd bookmakers are based at the Orleans and I haven't been there since the late Don Rickles played his last Vegas gig in their showroom.
As for the Westgate, that place has been going downhill ever since Elvis died and Colonel Parker went bust. And you can't smoke stogies or even ciggies in their book, a rather cruel policy for bettors that would've definitely ticked off the King and the Colonel.
Finally, mark my words: Derek Stephens is going to give the Westgate and South Point a run for their money when he finishes building his new Circa casino and sports book next year. He's already succeeded, at least with me, in his self-stated goal of restoring "old-school Las Vegas hospitality" to the world of sports betting. More power to him.
LVH
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The D is the best book downtown for sure, but I think you are giving the others a bad rap. Westgate is far better than it was since the remodel. It still has the unfortunate stigma of attracting a bunch of riff raff, but its still among my top books in Las Vegas.
South Point isn't as great as the hype, yes, but the only reason you should go there is because its a 24 hour book. When other books close at 9 or 10 there are times I can't get a bet down anywhere else other than South Point whether it be late at night or early in the morning. The seating however sucks balls and the screens are something out of 2009.
Anyway, I seem to mostly bounce around between Red Rock and Green Valley Ranch these days with the occassional visit to Westgate, Treasure Island and Palms.
I agree with you about Derek Stephens, he is doing things right, and more people need to be like him here. But, its a corporate town now. Shareholders run things. Hence why we get [ Finebaum ] like resort fees and paid parking as well as generous comps being a thing of the past.
I disagree with you about smoking in books. scheiss that [ Finebaum ]. I don't want to leave a book smelling like an ashtray. You can still smoke at Westgate you just have to go inside the smoking room.
South Point isn't as great as the hype, yes, but the only reason you should go there is because its a 24 hour book. When other books close at 9 or 10 there are times I can't get a bet down anywhere else other than South Point whether it be late at night or early in the morning. The seating however sucks balls and the screens are something out of 2009.
Anyway, I seem to mostly bounce around between Red Rock and Green Valley Ranch these days with the occassional visit to Westgate, Treasure Island and Palms.
I agree with you about Derek Stephens, he is doing things right, and more people need to be like him here. But, its a corporate town now. Shareholders run things. Hence why we get [ Finebaum ] like resort fees and paid parking as well as generous comps being a thing of the past.
I disagree with you about smoking in books. scheiss that [ Finebaum ]. I don't want to leave a book smelling like an ashtray. You can still smoke at Westgate you just have to go inside the smoking room.
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