Most embarrassing football season in my lifetime.

[NewFrogFan]

What did you think? I’ve always have enjoyed your input. Unfortunately, the rule sucks. It is really hard to stop the opponent from getting a 1st down when you can’t hit them hard.

Targeting on ANY RB, should not be a “rule”!

 

[BrewingFrog]

Targeting on ANY RB, should not be a “rule”!

Indeed. Doesn't the RB lower his head before contact? "Lowest helmet wins?"

It is a stupid and counterproductive rule, that is called more inconsistently than any other. Fans hate it, and it hurts the game.

 

[fanatical frog]

Indeed. Doesn't the RB lower his head before contact? "Lowest helmet wins?"

It is a stupid and counterproductive rule, that is called more inconsistently than any other. Fans hate it, and it hurts the game.

Yes. In Norman Ok a few years back Baker Mayfield scrambled, was met by Ty Summers who got into position to make a tackle, Baker decided to head butt Ty out of the way and got his helmet as low to the ground as Ty's was. Tackle was made, TCU was penalized 15 yards and Ty was tossed for targeting....even though Baker had his head as low as Ty did.

Well intentioned but still stupid rule....one of several rules changes made in the last ten years or so which as hurt the game, IMHO.

Yet another stupid rule is the one that allows defense to make personnel change whenever the offense does....but the subs on defense make sure they take long enough to get into position to allow the play clock to run down to the point where the offense has to use a time out. Chicken stuff tactic .

 

[Spike]

Agree on the QB sneak. 90% of the time when we run to the line with 1 yard to go, we have run that play. Not only is it obvious, but our success rate is about 40%...yet we continue to do it. Entire staff jumped the shark on that one play that changed the game.

Radio guys said that it was 4th and almost 2 yards and they didn't believe that the coaches were aware how far they actually had to go. Really don't understand the play call when you consider that they've tried to keep Hoover from running.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Keep hearing from donors that run in those circles that he is just mailing it in basically.

Yep, he's checked out according to rumors. And the fact that he can say in a press conference that he has no idea what is wrong or how to fix it speaks volumes.

 

[Zebra Frog]

Replay wouldn't have stopped the game to look at it if he wasn't 95% sure it was targeting. Very seldom will it be a booth shutdown for targeting not be confirmed. I think the deciding factor was that the head was lowered. There could have been just as hard of a hit if he had had his head to the side of the runner. Since they no longer allow a targeting foul to "stand" the RO had to make the decision it either was or it wasn't targeting. Since it was against the runner, it must with the crown. The crown doesn't mean the very top of the helmet, the definition of crown has been expanded. It's very hard to officiate. Matt Austin, the "officiating expert" that was on the broadcast said it was targeting. He's one of the best in the business. It is strictly a safety factor. Players have to be smart. It wasn't a smart play.

 

[TxFrog1999]

Radio guys said that it was 4th and almost 2 yards and they didn't believe that the coaches were aware how far they actually had to go. Really don't understand the play call when you consider that they've tried to keep Hoover from running.

That call epitomized this staff over the last two seasons. Completely unaware of what is going on, the situation, and what needed to happen to set the team up for success. I wish Hoover had flipped off the sideline and called an audible.

 

[grumpyoldman]

Yep, he's checked out according to rumors. And the fact that he can say in a press conference that he has no idea what is wrong or how to fix it speaks volumes.

Reminds of when Strong at Texas would get that far away, lost, 500 yard stare on his face during games.

 

[Michael Milton's Jaw]

I came to TCU in 85, the year after the Bluebonnet bowl. I went to TCU because of the football history and the recent success. That was the same year Wacker kicked the players off the team including star running back Kenneth Davis. Football was never the same from that point on through my graduation.

A few short years after graduation, I became a season ticket holder and a die hard Frog fan. So die hard that I once left a friend's wedding early to fly home to get to the 1994 Tech home game. I was also at Amon Carter when we were 1-10 to beat SMU and the students took the goal posts down. I have seen the ups and downs of TCU football and then got to enjoy some wonderful years and the rise of the program under Patterson. I enjoyed that time and we were always tough and competitive. We had chances to win every game even when we were under dogs.

I was very fortunate to be able to attend the national championship game even though the score was a beatdown. I thought we would learn from that experience and build on that then the next season came along. I figured, ok, we had a mulligan, but we also lost alot of talent from the NC team to the NFL. Now, there is this season and we have had two historically bad losses and this team may not win another conference game.

We cannot accept the results from this coaching staff and need to make immediate changes starting at the top. They get paid far too much money to be this mediocre. They are also setting TCU football on a trajectory that we may not be able to overcome if this continues multiple seasons. I know everyone on this board knows there will be another conference realignment and it will suck to be left out.

Welcome back to 1968! The college football big boys are in charge. In 1968, UT had unlimited scholarship. I think Coach Royal had 150 or 200 scholarship players. Gave scholarships to kids just so they would not go to little schools like TCU. Then he would run drills to run off the non-cream, or even better, hurt kids so their careers were over. Read ”Meat on the Hoof”, if you want the detail. Today, it is UT’s Lamborghi’s. The little schools don’t have the $’s to match that.

In the mid-1970’s, Mike Renfro was lifting weights on a Universal Gym in the depths of Daniel Meyer. By 1980, at least we had a real weight room. Little schoools like TCU and Smu got tired of UT, OU, and A&M cheating so they started cheating. SMU got the death penalty and Dick Lowe got excommunicated from TCU.

Your 1-10 Pat Sullivan year, the team was demoralized by the Pat Sullivan/ LSU attempt to leave but too cheap to pay the TCU buyout. Today’s team is demoralized as they saw their best D lineman go to OU and others go to SMU For more money.

Then TCU found GMFP, who was a real football coach, who could not be moneywhipped by the big boys. In fact TCU was making enough money that TCU could match UT’s money whip attempt on our OC.

Do not underestimate the early 2000’s Barnett Shale windfall. Dick Lowe was back on campus. The $100 bills were replaced with real money and now he has a statue on the west side of the stadium.

Who is today’s Amon Carter or even Dick Lowe? We cannot win unlimited, unregulated financial war with UT and they know it. The regulations will come in after all the little schools are put in their place.

 

[NewFrogFan]

Radio guys said that it was 4th and almost 2 yards and they didn't believe that the coaches were aware how far they actually had to go. Really don't understand the play call when you consider that they've tried to keep Hoover from running

Seems “prep” for this game was lacking. Maybe things that don’t matter took too much time in this game planning this week.

 

[westoverhillbilly]

Who is today’s Amon Carter or even Dick Lowe? We cannot win unlimited, unregulated financial war with UT and they know it. The regulations will come in after all the little schools are put in their place

Well said.

TCU has fared surprisingly well over the last 25 years though, at least for the most part. An 8-5 record against Texas was one of the biggest performance measures during this time period. There have been, are and will be big challenges for TCU and its survival. I just hope we don't collapse long term by apathy from fans (from losing) and having poor decision makers in any or all facets at TCU.

 

[Michael Milton's Jaw]

Well said.

TCU has fared surprisingly well over the last 25 years though, at least for the most part. An 8-5 record against Texas was one of the biggest performance measures during this time period. There have been, are and will be big challenges for TCU and its survival. I just hope we don't collapse long term by apathy from fans (from losing) and having poor decision makers in any or all facets at TCU.

Management has made a hell of a mistake. Annual cost for a year at TCU is more than Harvard? They want to increase enrollment to 15,000? You better be playing winning football to keep that business model going. Upper middle class Texans have been priced out. So the costal elite are showing up and that is the hot money crowd.

These kids from the last 25 years have no idea what it is like for the UT kicker to hold for extra points, while the holder kicked. UT did not just beat us in the old days (60’s & 70’s), they laughed at us.

How many people we got on the TCU board now, 30, 40? None of them apparently have checkbooks the size of the old oil & gas guys from the old days. Great diversity but we need the Big Cigar guys if we have a hope of surviving and that will be once there are some type of rules in NIL. Unlike A&M, we do not have the $’s for big time NIL or the money to get rid of a coach that looks like he starting to be a big drag on the business model.

 

[Limey Frog]

I came to TCU in 85, the year after the Bluebonnet bowl. I went to TCU because of the football history and the recent success. That was the same year Wacker kicked the players off the team including star running back Kenneth Davis. Football was never the same from that point on through my graduation.

A few short years after graduation, I became a season ticket holder and a die hard Frog fan. So die hard that I once left a friend's wedding early to fly home to get to the 1994 Tech home game. I was also at Amon Carter when we were 1-10 to beat SMU and the students took the goal posts down. I have seen the ups and downs of TCU football and then got to enjoy some wonderful years and the rise of the program under Patterson. I enjoyed that time and we were always tough and competitive. We had chances to win every game even when we were under dogs.

I was very fortunate to be able to attend the national championship game even though the score was a beatdown. I thought we would learn from that experience and build on that then the next season came along. I figured, ok, we had a mulligan, but we also lost alot of talent from the NC team to the NFL. Now, there is this season and we have had two historically bad losses and this team may not win another conference game.

We cannot accept the results from this coaching staff and need to make immediate changes starting at the top. They get paid far too much money to be this mediocre. They are also setting TCU football on a trajectory that we may not be able to overcome if this continues multiple seasons. I know everyone on this board knows there will be another conference realignment and it will suck to be left out.

Agree with all of this except where you said the coaching was mediocre. They aren't half that good.

 

[Paint It Purple]

Replay wouldn't have stopped the game to look at it if he wasn't 95% sure it was targeting. Very seldom will it be a booth shutdown for targeting not be confirmed. I think the deciding factor was that the head was lowered. There could have been just as hard of a hit if he had had his head to the side of the runner. Since they no longer allow a targeting foul to "stand" the RO had to make the decision it either was or it wasn't targeting. Since it was against the runner, it must with the crown. The crown doesn't mean the very top of the helmet, the definition of crown has been expanded. It's very hard to officiate. Matt Austin, the "officiating expert" that was on the broadcast said it was targeting. He's one of the best in the business. It is strictly a safety factor. Players have to be smart. It wasn't a smart play.

Geez. "One of the best in the business" is an oxymoron regarding officiating in the big 12. "Players have to be smart" is another dumb statement in the context of this play.

While I'm ranting...this term Targeting is so over the top. They're not assassins, yet the player is treated like a criminal, then Ejected, and removed from the field.

 

[BleedNPurple]

I think the players also spend too much time reading their press clippings. They see they are supposed to beat Houston by 16 1/2 points and they mailed it in. Anytime we're picked for a big win we get beat - Colorado 25 points or something. What are they thinking - these teams are going to lay down for them? There was no intensity.

Another thing - if we can quit throwing interceptions and having turnovers that would help. We gave up 10 points instead of getting any points. Also, can we find someone who can kick extra points and field goals please. When the score was 27 - 21 the score could have been TCU 23 - Houston 17 if we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot. 2 missed extra points and we can't make a 2 point conversion. These guys need a sports psychologist to pull their heads out. Sonny needs to visit a shrink too - he has about as much emotion as FA Dry.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

Vanderbilt football is better than Frog football.

 

[BrewingFrog]

I think the players also spend too much time reading their press clippings. They see they are supposed to beat Houston by 16 1/2 points and they mailed it in. Anytime we're picked for a big win we get beat - Colorado 25 points or something. What are they thinking - these teams are going to lay down for them? There was no intensity.

Another thing - if we can quit throwing interceptions and having turnovers that would help. We gave up 10 points instead of getting any points. Also, can we find someone who can kick extra points and field goals please. When the score was 27 - 21 the score could have been TCU 23 - Houston 17 if we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot. 2 missed extra points and we can't make a 2 point conversion. These guys need a sports psychologist to pull their heads out. Sonny needs to visit a shrink too - he has about as much emotion as FA Dry.

He hasn't been stung by a scorpion yet...

 

[Zebra Frog]

Geez. "One of the best in the business" is an oxymoron regarding officiating in the big 12. "Players have to be smart" is another dumb statement in the context of this play.

While I'm ranting...this term Targeting is so over the top. They're not assassins, yet the player is treated like a criminal, then Ejected, and removed from the field.

Matt never worked in the Big 12. I‘m not sure if I don’t agree with you on the player being disqualified (not ejected, Dykes was ejected, meaning he had to leave the field, which means you think he was treated as a criminal., right?).
Instead of Matt being the guy, what if it had been Mike Pereira or Dean Blandino that said it was targeting?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Vanderbilt football is better than Frog football.

Monumental win for them.

 

[BrewingFrog]

Instead of Matt being the guy, what if it had been Mike Pereira or Dean Blandino that said it was targeting?

Wouldn't matter a whit to me. Those guys job is to make the Officials look good, and "interpret" the rules for us dumb slobs in TV Land.

Where I have a monstrous issue is the rule itself, and the mushy boundaries around it. I note that they (the rulesmakers) have "expanded" the "crown of the helmet" now, leading to more guesswork for the Officials on the field. This does nothing but make them look bad in the eyes of the fans, and that hurts the game. It is bad enough that what used to be considered a good defensive play is now a 15 yard penalty, but ejecting a player over an "interpretation" is ridiculous.