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Frozen Frog

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Also where is Duke in this mess? I understand the football argument, but the basketball is a major brand. Also not seeing BC and Syracuse mentioned anywhere. I do think the Big Ten is hoping more than anyone the ACC falls as it destroys another conference with some school in Indiana. I know that school isn’t AAU, but the Big Ten has stated it’s not a deal breaker.
 
An-Cap Frog

An-Cap Frog

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Frozen Frog said:
Also where is Duke in this mess? I understand the football argument, but the basketball is a major brand. Also not seeing BC and Syracuse mentioned anywhere. I do think the Big Ten is hoping more than anyone the ACC falls as it destroys another conference with some school in Indiana. I know that school isn’t AAU, but the Big Ten has stated it’s not a deal breaker.
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Duke is basically Illinois with way more championships.
 
Limey Frog

Limey Frog

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An-Cap Frog said:
Did you get married without reading the fine print?
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I don't know whether the GOR meant that member schools did or didn't get to see the ACC-ESPN contract fine print, but with due apologies for being a pedant on the marriage analogy... the vows say "for richer or poor, better or worse, in sickness and in health until death us do part". There is no fine print on that one.
 
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Endless Purple

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An-Cap Frog said:
Well their revenue sucked before Dabo got the program running and that was more the point. Do they have as rabid of a fan base as say Florida State and therefore are not worth as much? Of course it doesn't seem that the Big10 even thinks that Florida State has value.

Fun fact: Their last 10 win season before Dabo was when Ken Hatfield was coach.
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You said they made less than Bowling Green - what is your source? An ACC team vs MAC seems suspect.

What does 10 win have to do with being a bad team? Clemson has a lifetime .624 winning percent which is 20th in all FBS programs. They have had average periods, but bad was not included.
 
tmcats

tmcats

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Frozen Frog said:
Also where is Duke in this mess? I understand the football argument, but the basketball is a major brand. Also not seeing BC and Syracuse mentioned anywhere. I do think the Big Ten is hoping more than anyone the ACC falls as it destroys another conference with some school in Indiana. I know that school isn’t AAU, but the Big Ten has stated it’s not a deal breaker.
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notre dame is aau.

all that matters today, history and revisionism aside, is that the b12 will be equal to the b10 and approaching sec status if clemson and fsu are lured to the league.
 
An-Cap Frog

An-Cap Frog

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Endless Purple said:
You said they made less than Bowling Green - what is your source? An ACC team vs MAC seems suspect.

What does 10 win have to do with being a bad team? Clemson has a lifetime .624 winning percent which is 20th in all FBS programs. They have had average periods, but bad was not included.
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Source: Drake Toll

 
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Endless Purple

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An-Cap Frog said:
Source: Drake Toll

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A random podcaster is not a good source. I would recommend better research instead of listening to people with agendas.

another source:

2010-2011 Football Revenue

These numbers are for football only, not the entire athletic department. If you’re curious about what is included in each category, the descriptions of each category...
businessofcollegesports.com businessofcollegesports.com

It list Clemson as having $18 million in ticket sales vs less than $1 million for Bowling green, Then look at other revenue and it gets worse. The guy in the video is clueless.
 
An-Cap Frog

An-Cap Frog

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Endless Purple said:
A random podcaster is not a good source. I would recommend better research instead of listening to people with agendas.

another source:

2010-2011 Football Revenue

These numbers are for football only, not the entire athletic department. If you’re curious about what is included in each category, the descriptions of each category...
businessofcollegesports.com businessofcollegesports.com

It list Clemson as having $18 million in ticket sales vs less than $1 million for Bowling green, Then look at other revenue and it gets worse. The guy in the video is clueless.
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In past episodes he quoted his source. He is not a rando though...

EDIT: Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act (EADA) is his source BTW. Also, your source is football only where EADA is department level. Clemson was basically Kansas State or Ole Miss before Dabo took over.

EDIT EDIT: I guess I should have said Clemson is basically TCU in revenue...lol
 
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Endless Purple

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An-Cap Frog said:
In past episodes he quoted his source. He is not a rando though...

EDIT: Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act (EADA) is his source BTW. Also, your source is football only where EADA is department level. Clemson was basically Kansas State or Ole Miss before Dabo took over.

EDIT EDIT: I guess I should have said Clemson is basically TCU in revenue...lol
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You should watch the video then because he says revenue less than bowling green IN FOOTBALL at around the :40 mark.

Also I would look at those charts you are posting or do you believe Clemson made 40 in 2010 and only 28 in 2022. Plus I doubt that is total revenue. If you believe Clemson made 28 total in 2022 and not over $100 million in total revenue, then I don't know what to say.

Those charts are not total revenue for athletic dept or for football only.
 
An-Cap Frog

An-Cap Frog

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Endless Purple said:
You should watch the video then because he says revenue less than bowling green IN FOOTBALL at around the :40 mark.

Also I would look at those charts you are posting or do you believe Clemson made 40 in 2010 and only 28 in 2022. Plus I doubt that is total revenue. If you believe Clemson made 28 total in 2022 and not over $100 million in total revenue, then I don't know what to say.

Those charts are not total revenue for athletic dept or for football only.
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When he said Bowling Green I think he was being facetious.

His point was that we think of Clemson as being a football power because of all the recent top 5 football finishes, but in reality they are a middle of the road Power 5 school in terms of revenue, and if realignment is all about dollars, Clemson is not that attractive for the Big 10 or the SEC, and maybe just maybe the Big 12 is right where they should be.

Those are rankings of total athletic revenue as reported to the federal government for D-1 schools.

In dollars, Clemson reported $152 million in 2022 and $61 million in 2010.
 
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Endless Purple

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An-Cap Frog said:
When he said Bowling Green I think he was being facetious.

His point was that we think of Clemson as being a football power because of all the recent top 5 football finishes, but in reality they are a middle of the road Power 5 school in terms of revenue, and if realignment is all about dollars, Clemson is not that attractive for the Big 10 or the SEC, and maybe just maybe the Big 12 is right where they should be.

Those are rankings of total athletic revenue as reported to the federal government for D-1 schools.

In dollars, Clemson reported $152 million in 2022 and $61 million in 2010.
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The image of charts you posted do not have the number 152 anywhere on them.

and yet you repeated Bowling Green like it was fact.
 

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