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More realignment talk from Greg Swaim

tmcats

tmcats

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Here are the official government reported payouts from each conference to its members for the year ended June 30, 2023:

B12

(A) BAYLOR UNIVERSITY 43,072,005
(B) IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY 42,190,473
(C) UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS 44,104,036
(D) KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY 45,038,935
(E) UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA 45,195,567
(F) OKLAHOMA STATE UNIVERSITY 43,821,197
(G) UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS 44,711,453
(H) TEXAS TECH UNIVERSITY 43,663,496
(I) WEST VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY 41,984,886
(J) TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY 48,258,005


ACC (includes ACC network payout)

(A) BOSTON COLLEGE 43,775,117
(B) CLEMSON UNIVERSITY 46,549,033
(C) DUKE UNIVERSITY 45,485,338
(D) FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY 45,235,737
(E) GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECH 43,294,354
(F) NC STATE UNIVERSITY 44,693,428
(G) UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI 43,767,525
(H) UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA 46,850,044
(I) UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA 43,919,757
(J) VIRGINIA TECH 43,698,647
(K) WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY 44,516,141
(L) UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME 22,104,978
(M) UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH 45,677,735
(N) SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY 44,696,708
(O) UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE 45,208,128
 
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FroggleRock

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McFroggin said:
College football is already deteriorating. PE would be the nail in the coffin.
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I think everyone here agrees with you. But at the end of the day, the Big 12 is making $30M less per school than schools in the SEC and BIG. Because of that, they need to be doing everything they can to think outside of the box to ensure they can keep up and stay relevant. If that involves PE, they need to do it.
 
tmcats

tmcats

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FroggleRock said:
I think everyone here agrees with you. But at the end of the day, the Big 12 is making $30M less per school than schools in the SEC and BIG. Because of that, they need to be doing everything they can to think outside of the box to ensure they can keep up and stay relevant. If that involves PE, they need to do it.
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The SEC reported nearly $853M in revenue and an average of about $51.3M being distributed to each of its 14 schools.May 21, 2024. sportsbusinessjournal
 
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FroggleRock

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tmcats said:
The SEC reported nearly $853M in revenue and an average of about $51.3M being distributed to each of its 14 schools.May 21, 2024. sportsbusinessjournal
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And the BIG made $60.5M per school. With the new TV deal, they will make $80M-$100M per school annually. And that’s not factoring in playoff revenue.
 
bc puckett

bc puckett

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Opintel said:
So no school outside the BIG and SEC made more than TCU.
We're the best of the others.
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Of course I believe, and I could be very wrong, that since the payout amounts are for the 22-23 season it would include any extra revenue the Frogs generated from both the Big 12 Championship game as well as the 2 CFB playoff games.
Obviously not something that happens every year. Would like to see the 23-24 numbers for comparison with not even a bowl game.
 
tmcats

tmcats

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FroggleRock said:
Right, so the Big 12 made ~$16M less per school than the BIG last year. Thats going to widen with the BIG’s new TV deal.

We might be talking past each other here.
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$16 million is a lot of revenue. it will take wise administrators to balance costs in a competitive marketplace. speaking solely to revenue without considering costs is unwise though. ask arizona and ucla which are awash in red ink.

www.nytimes.com

Will Arizona's $177 million shortfall impact athletic teams' ability to compete in Big 12?

In December, Arizona football closed out a 10-win season. Since then, amid university financial struggles, a different reality has set in.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Zebra Frog

Zebra Frog

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I think the most important statistic is the anticipated payout for each school in the B12 and the ACC for the 2024-25 season. What would Clemson and FSU make if they made the move to the B12
 
The TCU Football Jerk

The TCU Football Jerk

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FroggleRock said:
I think everyone here agrees with you. But at the end of the day, the Big 12 is making $30M less per school than schools in the SEC and BIG. Because of that, they need to be doing everything they can to think outside of the box to ensure they can keep up and stay relevant. If that involves PE, they need to do it.
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Not sure taking on debt or diluting equity is the answer
 
Hemingway

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82 Frog Fever said:
I really like your last sentence, because that’s what FSU/Clem. is to the B12, a short-term investment.
At the end of the day, when CFB Armageddon arrives and everything shifts, FSU/Clem. will be a member of whatever the BIG/SEC morphs into.
However, the B12 gets a bunch of nice ACC schools permanently.
- The B12 will have to pay a big piece of the negotiated exit cost, maybe $200-$300m total for both via private investment from B12 sources. FSU/Clem probably stays 2 to 5 years.
- But the B12 gets a GREATLY increased media deal, the extinction of the ACC, along with VT, Pitt, Louisville, NC State, Virginia?, Miami??, Duke??, NC?? Who knows what Yormark could spin up here.
It would be a masterful coup via Yormark!
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Hold on bud. 300 million for 2-5 years??? That’s a bull bleep deal. No thanks.
 
Limey Frog

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Here's Sheer going into more detail on this. My takeaways were that the whole FSU/Clemson thing seems to depend on those schools coming out on top in the law suits first, but then the Big Ten and SEC not being interested once they're free (which, per Brett McMurphy would likely depend on them being the only two available and the ACC otherwise staying together). So nothing that would happen soon, and I think involves so many "if, then" contingencies that it just won't happen. The most unlikely part may be that what Big Ten presidents and ADs are saying now is what they'll still be saying in a year if FSU and Clemson are actually on the table. These guys are shameless hypocrites and absolute whores for money.
 
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Wexahu

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Limey Frog said:


Here's Sheer going into more detail on this. My takeaways were that the whole FSU/Clemson thing seems to depend on those schools coming out on top in the law suits first, but then the Big Ten and SEC not being interested once they're free (which, per Brett McMurphy would likely depend on them being the only two available and the ACC otherwise staying together). So nothing that would happen soon, and I think involves so many "if, then" contingencies that it just won't happen. The most unlikely part may be that what Big Ten presidents and ADs are saying now is what they'll still be saying in a year if FSU and Clemson are actually on the table. These guys are shameless hypocrites and absolute whores for money.
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Who are not shameless hypocrites and absolute whores for money in this "conference realignment" thing? TCU and pretty much every school out there is doing the same exact thing, it's just that some have more leverage than others.
 
Sangria Wine

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Wexahu said:
Who are not shameless hypocrites and absolute whores for money in this "conference realignment" thing? TCU and pretty much every school out there is doing the same exact thing, it's just that some have more leverage than others.
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Absolute truth right there. Collegiate athletics was never perfect by any means, but there was at least still a glimmer of amateurism and college spirit. Now it’s just a money maker for all parties involved.
 
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Limey Frog

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Wexahu said:
Who are not shameless hypocrites and absolute whores for money in this "conference realignment" thing? TCU and pretty much every school out there is doing the same exact thing, it's just that some have more leverage than others.
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I don't think leaders in the Big 12 are exactly pretending that we're not willing to do whatever we need to do to survive and to thrive. That's the whole meaning of "open for business" isn't it? Big Ten leaders are still pretending to be the Ivy League while acting like the NFL.
 

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