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Kyler Murray signs with A's, will QB Sooners this fall

4 Oaks Frog

4 Oaks Frog

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PO Frog said:
The upside is that he gets to be the starting QB for one of the most prominent football programs in history while getting 4 million dollars. To say there isn’t an upside for him personally is baseless. In fact, it is almost no downside for him. I think it’s bad for OU and Oakland, but that’s not his problem.
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Could be the most expensive ACL ever. That could be pretty bad for him and Oakland. ou has nothing to loose. That would be a shame, right?!?
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Chico Dusty

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CountryFrog said:
What's the data on number of first round picks in a sport who elect to put their career in that sport on hold for a year to play a different sport in college that they have no future in?
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What does that have anything to do with what we are talking about? Ppl were ripping him about playing because he could have a career ending injury and he could blow the opportunity for future earnings. This is not a hard concept to grasp. Statistically he has a good chance of playing QB next year and not ending his career from an injury and reporting to baseball camp healthy. What he does after that has nothing to do with my points. And the points ppl brought up of why he was stupid for playing a year of football.
 
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flyfishingfrog

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PO Frog said:
A career of MLB salaries isn’t the greatest metric to compare risk. And a national title is not the only reason to play football. The odds of him having a career ending injury that would prevent him from playing baseball at the same level are minuscule. Certainly small enough to take an almost $5million payday in the worst case scenario. Sure he could be missing out on a $100 million 15 year big league career, but the chances of that are about the same as him having a career ending injury. Not large enough to be basing your decision on. Also, at the end of the day, he will have earned almost $5 million by the age of 22. He’s having his cake and eating it too.
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actually as a high 1st rounder the chances of him having a long and well paid mlb career are a lot higher than you are trying to act like. And once again - there are a ton of injuries he can have playing football that would only have a small effect on short college football career that could have a long term detrimental effect to his baseball career.

as an example- Luken Bakers throwing arm injury that would require Tommy John surgery to repair if he wanted to pitch again would not even keep him out of a single play on the football field and literally has kept from pitching again.

Bo Jackson has said publicly that the hip injury that he sustained in 1991 playing football not only made him and the Raiders decide it was time to stop playing football but also shortened his baseball career by several years because of both dealing with the injury every year but also it hurt his speed enough that the Royals cut him, he missed a season of baseball totally and he was never a full time starter again. He played 8 years in the pros and if you look at guys playing the same position from his generation with less ability than Bo - that was probably 5+ years short of what he could have seen had he focused just on baseball.
 
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PO Frog

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flyfishingfrog said:
actually as a high 1st rounder the chances of him having a long and well paid mlb career are a lot higher than you are trying to act like. And once again - there are a ton of injuries he can have playing football that would only have a small effect on short college football career that could have a long term detrimental effect to his baseball career.

as an example- Luken Bakers throwing arm injury that would require Tommy John surgery to repair if he wanted to pitch again would not even keep him out of a single play on the football field and literally has kept from pitching again.

Bo Jackson has said publicly that the hip injury that he sustained in 1991 playing football not only made him and the Raiders decide it was time to stop playing football but also shortened his baseball career by several years because of both dealing with the injury every year but also it hurt his speed enough that the Royals cut him, he missed a season of baseball totally and he was never a full time starter again. He played 8 years in the pros and if you look at guys playing the same position from his generation with less ability than Bo - that was probably 5+ years short of what he could have seen had he focused just on baseball.
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Bo Jackson was drafted in the second round out of high school but decided to play football at Auburn. What an idiot.
He went on to an amazing college career but did get get hurt and missed much of the 1985 season due to injury, but miraculously went on to play both MLB and NFL. An ACL tear isn't going to ruin Kyler Murrays chances of getting to the big leagues. You guys are acting like this is some outlandish decision. A $5million safety net plus whatever career ending insurance he buys is more than enough of a safety net. Of course he could get crippled, but the odds of such are awfully low. And he would be set for life financially if his injury was that extensive. This debate is silly. Nothing he is going to do next year is going to impact him getting to the big leagues. If he's good enough, he will get there.
In an alternative scenario, he could have signed and skipped football, torn an Achilles in short season A ball and never run again. He'd feel pretty stupid for not taking the chance to be the starting QB at OU were that to occur. As Luken Baker shows, injuries happen in baseball too. Why would you make a decision on your career based on possibility of injury when you can be rich no matter what and play both?
 
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Wexahu

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It’s 2018. Even if he blows his knee out, which is probably the worst case scenario, he’ll be back on the baseball field in about 8 months. The injury risk component of this is way overrated.

Heck, Justin Rogers had about as bad a knee injury as a kid can have, and nobody here seems too worried about his ability to play football again, much less baseball.
 
CountryFrog

CountryFrog

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Chico Dusty said:
What does that have anything to do with what we are talking about? Ppl were ripping him about playing because he could have a career ending injury and he could blow the opportunity for future earnings. This is not a hard concept to grasp. Statistically he has a good chance of playing QB next year and not ending his career from an injury and reporting to baseball camp healthy. What he does after that has nothing to do with my points. And the points ppl brought up of why he was stupid for playing a year of football.
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The point is that there is no data on this type of thing because it doesn't ever happen and that's why people are talking about it.
 
CountryFrog

CountryFrog

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Wexahu said:
It’s 2018. Even if he blows his knee out, which is probably the worst case scenario, he’ll be back on the baseball field in about 8 months. The injury risk component of this is way overrated.

Heck, Justin Rogers had about as bad a knee injury as a kid can have, and nobody here seems too worried about his ability to play football again, much less baseball.
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Like most arguments, the truth is somewhere in the middle. To act like there is no risk at all would be wrong. Playing D1 college football (especially as an undersized QB who likes to run around a lot) is clearly far more dangerous than playing minor league baseball. Not to mention the time lost honing your craft on the game that can potentially make you tens of millions of dollars. Even if he doesn't get hurt, that lost time will cost him something. If he were to suffer a serious Justin Rogers type injury then you're looking at potentially delaying that time table by another 12-18 months.

It's also not extremely risky because it is only a few months and the likelihood of a career threatening injury is low. He'll probably get through the season just fine.

OU is the real loser in all this I think. They've got a starting QB who hasn't shown that he can throw the ball more than 2 yards downfield with any level of success and is probably unlikely to be totally focused on being a QB since this is basically just a side job for him.
 
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Wexahu

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CountryFrog said:
Like most arguments, the truth is somewhere in the middle. To act like there is no risk at all would be wrong. Playing D1 college football (especially as an undersized QB who likes to run around a lot) is clearly far more dangerous than playing minor league baseball. Not to mention the time lost honing your craft on the game that can potentially make you tens of millions of dollars. Even if he doesn't get hurt, that lost time will cost him something. If he were to suffer a serious Justin Rogers type injury then you're looking at potentially delaying that time table by another 12-18 months.

It's also not extremely risky because it is only a few months and the likelihood of a career threatening injury is low. He'll probably get through the season just fine.

OU is the real loser in all this I think. They've got a starting QB who hasn't shown that he can throw the ball more than 2 yards downfield with any level of success and is probably unlikely to be totally focused on being a QB since this is basically just a side job for him.
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I agree that OU is the loser. As you point out, I really question whether the kid is all that good to begin with. And him having essentially one foot out the door to Oakland with a baseball career waiting in the wings isn't going to help him maximize his potential as a football player.
 

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