Is this a turning point in TCU football?

[Wexahu]

Seems like a pretty important criterion in evaluating head coaches. You constantly go out of your way criticizing Patterson, but I just see that as part of the discussion.

I'm just pointing out the obvious double standard. You seem to have a real issue with any criticism of Patterson. The guy was great for a time, but he had his obvious faults.

Again, criticizing the Morris over Duggan thing is done by someone with an axe to grind over Dykes. You got all these armchair coaches here who act like they know more about football than our staff, and yet exactly nobody had a problem with that decision when it happened in August 2022. Fully expected it in fact and had no issue with it.

 

[Wexahu]

Grand plan?? No idea what you are referring to.

Him moving Boykin to WR, and then bringing in the A&M transfer to replace him. I'm just saying that there was quite a bit of good fortune, or dumb luck, or whatever you want to call it that led to '14 and '15. I don't think anyone, including Patterson, figured that Boykin would do what he did in those two years. About a 90% chance he would have transferred in today's game.

And just to be clear so I'm not hurting anyone's feelings, I'm not bashing on Patterson at all. That kind of stuff is part of it though. You seem to think Dykes should be criticized for initially choosing Morris as his starter. I think that's going out of your way to criticize a guy unnecessarily.

 

[Dogfrog]

I'm just pointing out the obvious double standard. You seem to have a real issue with any criticism of Patterson. The guy was great for a time, but he had his obvious faults.

Again, criticizing the Morris over Duggan thing is done by someone with an axe to grind over Dykes. You got all these armchair coaches here who act like they know more about football than our staff, and yet exactly nobody had a problem with that decision when it happened in August 2022. Fully expected it in fact and had no issue with it.

I think you are so invested in the Dykes vs Patterson thing, it drives almost every post. Patterson was great in his time, but nobody agrees more than I that it was absolutely time for Patterson to go. No question. But at this point in TCU football history Patterson’s 20 year performance far outshines Dykes one hit wonder (so far). And it is not close. I wish Dykes well. I like him, but doubt is building.

 

[Wexahu]

I think you are so invested in the Dykes vs Patterson thing, it drives almost every post. Patterson was great in his time, but nobody agrees more than I that it was absolutely time for Patterson to go. No question. But at this point in TCU football history Patterson’s 20 year performance far outshines Dykes one hit wonder (so far). And it is not close. I wish Dykes well. I like him, but doubt is building.

I think if you and I sat down and talked face to face we would agree on just about everything. Message boards seem to have a way of getting people to disagree.

The doubt is building, that is fair and true. But I will say that there is a group of TCU fans/supporters/doners that have tried to undermine Dykes since he got here. That is absolutely a fact, and I think that sucks. And those people from what I have seen and what I can tell are the most vocal Patterson supporters. Make of that what you will, I have my own opinions. Do I make too much of that on here? Sure, probably.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

For the 4th time over the last 6 months I've asked who the meanest players on the TCU roster are. I've had ZERO replies. The future is now, and the coaching staff will pay by not playing the following.

While you can't predict predatory on field play by high school performance, you can gather some information from camp etc. If my post were based upon simple obvious Alphas here is the list.

Lafayette Kaiuway( if he is coached and pushed) Devondre Mcgee (DB with A&M and Ole Miss offers), Kylin Jackson, Michael Teason LB, Micah Strickland CB, Keylan Abrams LB, Tristan Johnson DL. Samir Camcho OL, Tobias Steppes OL, Dozie Ezukanma WR, Gekyle Baker WR, Mason Peterson TE.

If the TCU coaching staff does not get Terry Shelton WR & Chad Woodfork DE/LB involved in these last 3 games, those coaches are fools.

“If the TCU coaching staff does not get Terry Shelton WR & Chad Woodfork DE/LB involved in these last 3 games, those coaches are fools.”

These kids along with several others are headed for the portal…

 

[Dogfrog]

I’m

I think if you and I sat down and talked face to face we would agree on just about everything. Message boards seem to have a way of getting people to disagree.

The doubt is building, that is fair and true. But I will say that there is a group of TCU fans/supporters/doners that have tried to undermine Dykes since he got here. That is absolutely a fact, and I think that sucks. And those people from what I have seen and what I can tell are the most vocal Patterson supporters. Make of that what you will, I have my own opinions. Do I make too much of that on here? Sure, probably.

fair enough.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

CCD: Compulsive Contrarian Disorder.

When you recruit a kid, you hope he becomes a true contributor. Like an all-conference player
. You really don't know.

A college football coach is Very similar. Based on experience (past winning record), you hire and hope. In reality, there that many true winning football coaches. For example, the coach at KState, Iowa, TT could be labeled as a true winner on the average year to year coaching record. Based on true winners, Dykes doesn't qualify as the average winning coach. Sonny was hired primarily because he was 34 miles away, and you witnessed some sparkling moments at SMU, and MAYBE cost less than Gary's salary. At that moment, the old AD thought I could save time and money for TCU and become a hero. Likely thinking it's a chance, but we're money tight at TCU.

Hiring a good coach whose record shows he can produce a winner costs gobs of cash. In reality, TCU doesn't fit into that category. So end up with a Dykes. We're stuck with Dykes until his contract runs its course, and most likely to repeat the same hiring story .....again and again. want proof, ck out he record

Dykes was not TCU’s first choice…probably not even second or third. He was selected IMHO, because he was all they could get at the time. Let that sink in for a while…

 

[Wexahu]

Dykes was not TCU’s first choice…probably not even second or third. He was selected IMHO, because he was all they could get at the time. Let that sink in for a while…

Do you think when we let go of Dykes we’re gonna get our first choice? Hate to say it but if he’s let go after this year we’re gonna be about 10th-15th in line.

 

[Opintel]

Which does not mean it won't be an upgrade. Then the new staff, in total, may be much better.
There is only hindsight in these things. Speculate and guess... prognosticate on such a difficult blend of factors, too hard.

I'll prognosticate, right now. I fear that CSD (staff) will lose the locker room. Shortly. That is the killer.

 

[Wexahu]

Which does not mean it won't be an upgrade. Then the new staff, in total, may be much better.
There is only hindsight in these things. Speculate and guess... prognosticate on such a difficult blend of factors, too hard.

I'll prognosticate, right now. I fear that CSD (staff) will lose the locker room. Shortly. That is the killer.

It might be, and it might not be. They’ll get more support almost surely, because the pro-GP group will feel like they can be supportive again without offending their guy.

Dykes could lose the locker room. We’ll know soon enough if we aren’t competitive in these next three games.

 

[Froggy Style]

And it worked out just fine with Duggan here. And you want to pretend it was like an accident or something. And that everything that transpired prior to 2014 was all some grand plan leading up to '14-15. LOL.

Well, they did recruit Boykin and Duggan. My problem with them is that Duggan was the only mobile QB they got after one of the best dual threat QBs ever in Boykin.

Similarly, Sonny made the exact same mistake and has been unable to pull in a top mobile QB recruit after Duggan got second in the heisman.

Many seem to want to make it a Sonny vs GP thing. What I see is two coaches who look eerily similar, and I don’t mean in a good way. Same late stage of their career mistakes.

Unfortunately for Sonny, he doesn’t have much longevity with the fanbase. People are watching very average coaching, especially after telling us the expectation for this year was a Big 12 championship.

 

[Froggy Style]

Do you think when we let go of Dykes we’re gonna get our first choice? Hate to say it but if he’s let go after this year we’re gonna be about 10th-15th in line.

If we finish 10th place in the Big 12...which is more than possible, then I would say we'd be upgrading.

 

[Dogfrog]

It might be, and it might not be. They’ll get more support almost surely, because the pro-GP group will feel like they can be supportive again without offending their guy.

Dykes could lose the locker room. We’ll know soon enough if we aren’t competitive in these next three games.

Why are you hung up on people liking and respecting Gary Patterson? That has zero bearing on neither today or moving forward. And he certainly has no bearing on Dykes performance. That speaks for itself.

 

[Opintel]

Why are you hung up on people liking and respecting Gary Patterson? That has zero bearing on neither today or moving forward. And he certainly has no bearing on Dykes performance. That speaks for itself.

Yup.

I'm a CGP fan. I even have the t-shirt!

Go Frogs!

 

[Dogfrog]

Yup.

I'm a CGP fan. I even have the t-shirt!

Go Frogs!

I have high regard for how far he brought our program and getting us into the Big 12. I was also ready for him to go in 2021. He is a hero in terms of our football history. But it is history. I know a lot of people but I know nobody who is down on Sonny out of loyalty to Gary. Look forward, not back.

 

[ShreveFrog]

Boykin benefitted from GP’s coaching change with Meachum/Cumbie at OC/QB.
Max in ‘22 was a buildup of 3 years of PT and a roster that also matured. And his obvious talent and grit. Dykes’ addition of Ali at center was also big. And Dykes/Riley was an offensive coaching upgrade.

 

[Kipster198]

I’m pretty much resigned to the fact that we just can’t compete in the new NIL, transfer era. We’re not big enough.

If we had grown our enrollment to 12-15K students 20 years ago; we MIGHT be able to compete.

But, that didn’t happen. And we are who we are. We have successful alumni & a few with deep pockets; but most of those are old alumni who are dying off & are seeing the era of the new world for what it is.

Coaching up overlooked talent was a blast- but that worked because we had to play that way & other teams couldn’t steal our players after 2 good years. Older players came back & poured into younger players and we established a culture of that.

With NIL & transfer portals you can’t do that.

SMU & Tech (unless Campbell keeps paying millions every year) can enjoy this for about 2 more years & then they’ll hit the same thing.

I think the big split is coming & it’s not going to be 64 schools.

The new league needs to be 32 or fewer. Let them be minor NFL football. Sell sponsorships; put ads on their fields & jerseys.

All other teams get back to a regional, NCAA run league & have fun.

I wish there was a hard line drawn for players- you’re either minor league for 4 years (play where you want in 1 year deals) or you’re relegated to the lower levels for 4 years. You can be drafted & play in the NFL- but you can’t be poached to the minor leagues at all.

Bring equality to the two separate leagues.



******** I’m not dumb enough to think that will ever happen; but that would be for the best. Money has truly killed the game. ********

 

[Mean Purple]

This team is so painful to watch. They constantly struggle to do anything well, and then someone always makes a brainless mistake.
Our running game is so bad (123 yds / game), Hoover must throw a perfect 300 yd game just to have a chance to win.
The team seems to start slow every game, and ultimately finishes with the wheels coming off and chaotic mistakes.

The offense has so many issues.
- An OL with terrible depth that can’t block well for runs or passes.
- An overrated QB that forces throws into double/triple coverage, and constantly throws high. Hoover is AFRAID to run with a wide open field in front of him.…and when he does run, it’s 50/50 he’ll cough up the ball.
- A veteran RB that can’t stay healthy for an entire game, and if you take out his one long rush for 75 yds., He’s only got 3.8 per carry. Payne and Battle are better!!

Special Teams are abysmal and Tommerdahl should be fired immediately.
We can’t punt, or kick a 20 yd FG. We can’t cover kicks/punts, and we haven’t been able to return a punt/kick for a TD in 5 YEARS!

The Defense is not too bad, but corners and safeties are inconsistent.
Avalos has done a good job putting pressure on opposing QBs with some creative blitz packages trying to cover up for secondary weaknesses.

This is absolutely the worst 6-3 team in CFB.
As a program TCU is now worse than KSU, ISU, ASU, BYU, Tech, & Utah.
And we’re still sliding down hill.

Sorry for the rant. I’m just beyond pissed off.
Thank goodness I’m not the AD, cause I’d fire Sonny tomorrow and give Avalos a try for $3m a year.
Avalos was fired for 22-14 .611 at Boise. In comparison, over the last 3 years, Sonny is 20-14, and he’ll likely lose at least 3 more.
That’s 3 wasted seasons in a row with no redemption in sight!

can't remember, did that veteran rb have trouble staying healthy at his previous team?

 

[Mean Purple]

Well, they did recruit Boykin and Duggan. My problem with them is that Duggan was the only mobile QB they got after one of the best dual threat QBs ever in Boykin.

Similarly, Sonny made the exact same mistake and has been unable to pull in a top mobile QB recruit after Duggan got second in the heisman.

Many seem to want to make it a Sonny vs GP thing. What I see is two coaches who look eerily similar, and I don’t mean in a good way. Same late stage of their career mistakes.

Unfortunately for Sonny, he doesn’t have much longevity with the fanbase. People are watching very average coaching, especially after telling us the expectation for this year was a Big 12 championship.

GP got TCU to 3 different NY6/BCS/Whatever Bowls and 2 Alamo Bowls. He sustained success for quite some time. But after the 2017 Alamo Bowl, when there was a drop, it only took about 3 years for folks to call for his head.

No different than what you see now, except Dykes has shown the same pattern he has had at other stops.

There is no axe to grind for those who are saying what they are saying. Most of them pointed out his record at other schools and the losses to lesser teams. And many of them also called for GP's head.

As far as the idea that TCU would be so far down the list on coaching hires, that's complete nonsense. The facilites and the recruiting are a huge bonus for TCU. Agents watch the place like a friggin hawk.

 

[Mean Purple]

Dykes chose Chandler Morris as his starter in 2022. It took a first game Morris knee injury for Dykes to give Max a chance.

Had Morris not gotten hurt, we would not have seen Max as much. We would have, however, seen endless bubble screens. Cause the only thing better than playing sideline to sideline, is playing it for a loss.