I don't mind losing, but I do mind quitting

[Chongo94]

I am sorry, Salfrog, but you are quite the moron. Of course the buck stops at the top, and coach takes that responsibility. Gary’s punt didn’t loose the game. A mistaken riddled QB, execution on both sides of the ball lost this game and the one before it. I do not know if we should have won either game, but we could have if not for mistakes and poor play. The punt was a strategy to keep 3 more points off the board. It would have been a mirical if we hadn’t punted an gone on to win the game. It would have been an impossibility had they scored 3 more points. One way mirical. The other way zero. As head coach he decided to wipe out the zero possibility, and hope for an even bigger mirical. Tough choice, yes! Right choice? I don’t know. I do know that without the stupid QB mistakes, poor tackling, sad special team play and an overall let down we wouldn’t have been in that position. One thing I know for sure, your assertion that AWLHCGMFP isn’t a better head coach than ntsu’s coach is moronic.
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Miracle*

 

[BrewingFrog]

1) we scored on the first series so who did that actually happen. in fact we scored on two series in the first quarter.

Then they tightened up.

3) changed to running robinson in the last series before half where frogs scored and took the lead. i believe they continually ran him in the 3rd quarter.

When he wasn't throwing the ball to them.

4) orlando was not running basic coverage in the 3rd quarter when it became apparent davis was shutting down the frog receiver to his side and boyd was breaking even with reager. no threat in the inside run game meant leaving the safeties back in pass coverage.

And there's no antidote to that type of coverage?

5) such as ..scheiss it.. see what you want to see

(Pointing at scoreboard.)

 

[Eight]

What happened to 2?

saying the game plan is stupid is an opinion and everyone is entitled to one.

 

[Spike]

And it’s stuff like this that GP does (and tries to explain away) that support the idea that he’d have trouble handling the spotlight at a major blue blood program. If the tables were turned and Herman punted on 4th and 4 with 3 minutes to go down two scores, he’d be getting absolutely torched. At TCU it’s just Gary being Gary.

I think GP's body of work gets him the benefit of the doubt a lot moreso than does Herman's. Besides, the UT fanbase is so delusional that they think they are national championship material every year.

 

[netty2424]

I think GP's body of work gets him the benefit of the doubt a lot moreso than does Herman's. Besides, the UT fanbase is so delusional that they think they are national championship material every year.

Not just the fan base.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but looking back it's bizarre how bad it seemed the media, talking heads, etc seemed to want Texas to win. And there was no hiding it, it was a blatant disregard to what GP has done to that program over the last 4 years.

End the end, I guess they were all right as they got the W.

 

[Salfrog]

I am sorry, Salfrog, but you are quite the moron. Of course the buck stops at the top, and coach takes that responsibility. Gary’s punt didn’t loose the game. A mistaken riddled QB, execution on both sides of the ball lost this game and the one before it. I do not know if we should have won either game, but we could have if not for mistakes and poor play. The punt was a strategy to keep 3 more points off the board. It would have been a mirical if we hadn’t punted an gone on to win the game. It would have been an impossibility had they scored 3 more points. One way mirical. The other way zero. As head coach he decided to wipe out the zero possibility, and hope for an even bigger mirical. Tough choice, yes! Right choice? I don’t know. I do know that without the stupid QB mistakes, poor tackling, sad special team play and an overall let down we wouldn’t have been in that position. One thing I know for sure, your assertion that AWLHCGMFP isn’t a better head coach than ntsu’s coach is moronic.
GO FROGS!
BEAT isu!
Spit Blood~~<~<and [Baylor asshoe] & ntsu!!

At what point did I say University of North Texas's HC was better than GP? Please point that out? Besides, you proved my point. GP was more worried about giving up 3 points instead of trying to win the game...REALLY??!!! I thought the whole premise of playing the games is to play to win the game? What was a possible 3 points going to change at that point in the game? You at least try to win it, not be scared.

 

[Spike]

Not just the fan base.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but looking back it's bizarre how bad it seemed the media, talking heads, etc seemed to want Texas to win. And there was no hiding it, it was a blatant disregard to what GP has done to that program over the last 4 years.

End the end, I guess they were all right as they got the W.

The media is purely about numbers. UT put 100,000 seats in the stands for the last 2 games and has a zillion t-shirt fans. TCU can't put more than 25,000 in Jerry World for a meaningful game. (Yes I know the arguments for the lack of turnout at the last 2 Jerry World games. Let's not rehash them, but I was there.) The media really needs to the playoffs to be about UT/OU, Bama, OSU,

 

[PO Frog]

If that's what the decision was based on, then I'm even more concerned because that makes no sense. At that point whether your defense could stop them wasn't at all relevant. The only way to win the game was to score, recover an onside kick, and score again. Your defense wasn't going to see the field again, and if they did, who cares if Texas scores, the game is already over at that point.

If he really believes what he's saying, it makes you wonder what other inane decisions are being made with regards to personnel, gameplans, etc. This was a very elementary decision that 100 out of 100 other coaches would have made 100% of the time, you simply don't punt in that situation. Ever. The more he tries to explain his rationale, the dumber it looks.

In answer to your question, Gary cares. I don’t for a minute think that Gary believes there is a higher percentage of getting a turnover from Texas after the punt than converting on a 4th and 4. So the only logical conclusion is that he didn’t want the other team to have more points and/or more yards in a losing effort.

 

[McFroggin]

So the only logical conclusion is that he didn’t want the other team to have more points and/or more yards in a losing effort.

Your theory is wrong or Gary is a stupid.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

At what point did I say University of North Texas's HC was better than GP? Please point that out? Besides, you proved my point. GP was more worried about giving up 3 points instead of trying to win the game...REALLY??!!! I thought the whole premise of playing the games is to play to win the game? What was a possible 3 points going to change at that point in the game? You at least try to win it, not be scared.

My apologies, Salfrog!!! I credited you with saying something that you did not say. Again, my apologies. The statement came from Perryfrog.

“perryfrog said: ↑
You guys try so hard not to blame Gary Patterson for losses like this. I blame him 100%. He is the head coach. The buck stops there. I think he is a great defensive co-ordinator, but I don't think he's a great head coach. I think the new coach at North Texas is better as a HEAD COACH.”

GO FROGS!
BEAT isu!
Spit Blood ~~<~<and [Baylor asshoe]!!

 

[Wexahu]

Having thought about this a bit more, I think sometimes GP gets so pissed and frustrated that he wants everyone around him to feel the same way, and in his mind the best way to get back at his offensive staff is to not let them go for it on 4th down. Kind of like an "oh, you think you're gonna get another play here, watch this. Punter, get out there." I do think there's a bit of offense vs defense dynamic within our own team that he has created and if the offense messes with his baby so to speak by doing stupid stuff or otherwise just playing bad he's going to take away their toys.

 

[perryfrog]

My apologies, Salfrog!!! I credited you with saying something that you did not say. Again, my apologies. The statement came from Perryfrog.

“perryfrog said: ↑
You guys try so hard not to blame Gary Patterson for losses like this. I blame him 100%. He is the head coach. The buck stops there. I think he is a great defensive co-ordinator, but I don't think he's a great head coach. I think the new coach at North Texas is better as a HEAD COACH.”

GO FROGS!
BEAT isu!
Spit Blood ~~<~<and [Baylor asshoe]!!

Now, think about it. Who is quite the moron?

 

[2314]

It was 4th and 4. Cannot imagine any rationale except he was afraid to lose more. Sends a terrible message. Dutch is rolling over in the cryo chamber about now.....

It is possible GP thought a fumbled punt would have a batter chance than the listless offense. For those of us who watch college football from 11 a.m.-1 a.m. every Saturday and all three pro games on Sunday we see this a lot. Personally, I say go for it and disagree with Coach P's decision.

 

[Hoosierfrog]

It is possible GP thought a fumbled punt would have a batter chance than the listless offense. For those of us who watch college football from 11 a.m.-1 a.m. every Saturday and all three pro games on Sunday we see this a lot. Personally, I say go for it and disagree with Coach P's decision.

I read Patterson said he felt more confident in his D making a stop than the O getting a first.

 

[RollToad]

I read Patterson said he felt more confident in his D making a stop than the O getting a first.

Which makes sense based on their play.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

Now, think about it. Who is quite the moron?

Have been thinking, and the answer is still you...
GO FROGS!
BEAT isu!
Spit Blood~~<~<and [Baylor asshoe]!!

 

[Pharm Frog]

It is possible GP thought a fumbled punt would have a batter chance than the listless offense. For those of us who watch college football from 11 a.m.-1 a.m. every Saturday and all three pro games on Sunday we see this a lot. Personally, I say go for it and disagree with Coach P's decision.

As in the other thread I contend that we are much more likely to fumble or botch a punt snap than their receiver is likely to muff a punt. That much seems clear so far this season