I don't mind losing, but I do mind quitting

[perryfrog]

You guys try so hard not to blame Gary Patterson for losses like this. I blame him 100%. He is the head coach. The buck stops there. I think he is a great defensive co-ordinator, but I don't think he's a great head coach. I think the new coach at North Texas is better as a HEAD COACH.

 

[Moose Stuff]

You guys try so hard not to blame Gary Patterson for losses like this. I blame him 100%. He is the head coach. The buck stops there. I think he is a great defensive co-ordinator, but I don't think he's a great head coach. I think the new coach at North Texas is better as a HEAD COACH.

This should be your final post.

 

[Austintxfrog94]

His interview after the game GP says "I don't play to lose". We need some stat guys to look at this close (I do stats but am too lazy and mentally beat from yesterday.) We have to remember GP thinks way more into things then we do. Technically it was still possible to win by punting. I'm curious about probabilities in that scenario.

 

[netty2424]

You guys try so hard not to blame Gary Patterson for losses like this. I blame him 100%. He is the head coach. The buck stops there. I think he is a great defensive co-ordinator, but I don't think he's a great head coach. I think the new coach at North Texas is better as a HEAD COACH.

Careful what you wish for. Grass isn't always greener. See Texas, since 2006.

 

[Moose Stuff]

His interview after the game GP says "I don't play to lose". We need some stat guys to look at this close (I do stats but am too lazy and mentally beat from yesterday.) We have to remember GP thinks way more into things then we do. Technically it was still possible to win by punting. I'm curious about probabilities in that scenario.

It was a bizarre decision that I absolutely hated but it’s absurd for anyone to accuse him of quitting. I can’t imagine the odds say punting gave us a better chance to win.

 

[CountryFrog]

For anyone who thinks he quit, what exactly would be his incentive to quit right there? He's likely spent well over 100 hours the past week preparing for this one game, went through the first 57 minutes, and then all of a sudden with 3 minutes left is when he's had enough and wants to give up? It doesn't make any sense. In the rare instance that players give up on a game it's motivated by wanting to save their bodies from injury and additional hardship. What's the motivation for a coach?

It was an awful decision that no-one has a good explanation for, so when there isn't an explanation then that leaves things open for some to come in with radical ideas and theories so I understand that. I think it's just far more likely that he made a bad decision than that he quit.

Plus if he'd truly quit on the game then there would certainly be no reason to use any of those timeouts that he called. If he was quitting then he'd just want the clock to run out as quickly as possible.

 

[Wexahu]

It was a bizarre decision that I absolutely hated but it’s absurd for anyone to accuse him of quitting. I can’t imagine the odds say punting gave us a better chance to win.

And it’s stuff like this that GP does (and tries to explain away) that support the idea that he’d have trouble handling the spotlight at a major blue blood program. If the tables were turned and Herman punted on 4th and 4 with 3 minutes to go down two scores, he’d be getting absolutely torched. At TCU it’s just Gary being Gary.

 

[Eight]

curious if colton is good with atm guaranteeing a coach $75m after he basically quit on florida state during the season last year.

gary's decision makes no sense in so many ways, i truly believe it was made out of frustration tinged with a few other factors, but i think it was in his mind the right decision.

not the first decision by gary that left people scratching their heads and won't be the last.

do agree with pharm in that he won't get pressed on it and the only guy who will write about it will most likely be the board's favorite fwst columnist

 

[Moose Stuff]

And it’s stuff like this that GP does (and tries to explain away) that support the idea that he’d have trouble handling the spotlight at a major blue blood program. If the tables were turned and Herman punted on 4th and 4 with 3 minutes to go down two scores, he’d be getting absolutely torched. At TCU it’s just Gary being Gary.

He gets a bit of a free pass on the “Gary being Gary” thing because he’s one of the most successful head coaches in NCAA football. Herman on the other hand hasn’t accomplished [ Finebaum ] as a HC. Also worth noting that Gary IS getting torched for it by this board. There isn’t anything we can do about media perhaps not addressing it.

 

[CountryFrog]

curious if colton is good with atm guaranteeing a coach $75m after he basically quit on florida state during the season last year.

gary's decision makes no sense in so many ways, i truly believe it was made out of frustration tinged with a few other factors, but i think it was in his mind the right decision.

not the first decision by gary that left people scratching their heads and won't be the last.

do agree with pharm in that he won't get pressed on it and the only guy who will write about it will most likely be the board's favorite fwst columnist

Yea. Lots and lots of people close to that FSU program believe beyond a doubt that Jimbo quit in that season, that team, and that program just a few weeks into the season. Both in recruiting and in weekly perperation for games.

He's not the model anyone should be holding up for never quitting. He's a great salesman, though, so it's no surprise to hear him talking a good talk.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

It was 4th and 4. Cannot imagine any rationale except he was afraid to lose more. Sends a terrible message. Dutch is rolling over in the cryo chamber about now.....

I get you, Raw. And, Dutch couldn’t be happy. Afterall, we were on “the ice”. Neither you or I know what happened on the side line during Gary’s time out, but here is what I think. I’m thinking Gary went to his D, and said, if we miss this 1st down fellas, are you ready to stop them? I think he didn’t get the answer he wanted in the way he wanted it, and he was pissed and called for the punt. Possibly a emotional bad choice. Seems as plausible as any explanation, and a lot more plausible than
Gary was scared.
Still, hell had frozen over, and we didn’t seem to fight them on the ice. Sorry Dutch!!
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[Eight]

as bad as gary's decision was to many it has been overshadowed in regards to the national media by the decision by mario cristobal to have oregon run the ball instead of simply kneeling against stanford.

a bit of deja vu for the ducks as well as snapping the ball in the shotgun once again became an issue in a game for them.

 

[Moose Stuff]

as bad as gary's decision was to many it has been overshadowed in regards to the national media by the decision by mario cristobal to have oregon run the ball instead of simply kneeling against stanford.

a bit of deja vu for the ducks as well as snapping the ball in the shotgun once again became an issue in a game for them.

I’m SO glad I’m not an Oregon fan. At one point late in that game their win percentage was listed at 99.8 (or something like that) and probably should have been 100.

 

[Wexahu]

I’m thinking Gary went to his D, and said, if we miss this 1st down fellas, are you ready to stop them? I think he didn’t get the answer he wanted in the way he wanted it, and he was pissed and called for the punt. Possibly a emotional bad choice. Seems as plausible as any explanation, and a lot more plausible than
Gary was scared.

If that's what the decision was based on, then I'm even more concerned because that makes no sense. At that point whether your defense could stop them wasn't at all relevant. The only way to win the game was to score, recover an onside kick, and score again. Your defense wasn't going to see the field again, and if they did, who cares if Texas scores, the game is already over at that point.

If he really believes what he's saying, it makes you wonder what other inane decisions are being made with regards to personnel, gameplans, etc. This was a very elementary decision that 100 out of 100 other coaches would have made 100% of the time, you simply don't punt in that situation. Ever. The more he tries to explain his rationale, the dumber it looks.

 

[Salfrog]

Stop talking GP, just stop talking. You're making yourself look even worse, if that is even possible at this point...

 

[geezer]

Anyone have a link to the post game comments by CGP?

https://gofrogs.com/documents/2018/9/22//TCU_Texas_Postgame_Quotes.pdf

 

[BrewingFrog]

GMFP didn't have a lick of confidence in the offense yesterday evening. Not a bit. Cumbie seemed mystified by the fronts Orlando showed him, even though he had seen them already. No adjustments were made that seemed to have any effect, and Cumbie had better get used to seeing that scheme a lot, considering he has no answer for it. GMFP likely is going to spend quite a bit of time tearing the living crap out of Cumbie for a number of things: 1.) Offense completely unprepared, 2.) Stupid gameplan, 3.) Stuck to stupid gameplan even after it was obvious Orlando had him figured out early on, 4.) QB position unable to recognize basic defenses, thus unprepared by Coaching Staff, and 5.) Staff unable to give meaningful in-game instruction to QB.

We bitched quite a bit about Anderson and his utter lack of preparation of WRs in 2013, which resulted in TB2 looking pretty bad. GMFP made a sea-change after that season, resulting in a renaissance which has lasted for a few years. But eventually, the opposing guys start to gnaw away at your plans and make adjustments. You have to adjust back, and we seem utterly unable to do this.

 

[Eight]

GMFP didn't have a lick of confidence in the offense yesterday evening. Not a bit. Cumbie seemed mystified by the fronts Orlando showed him, even though he had seen them already. No adjustments were made that seemed to have any effect, and Cumbie had better get used to seeing that scheme a lot, considering he has no answer for it. GMFP likely is going to spend quite a bit of time tearing the living crap out of Cumbie for a number of things: 1.) Offense completely unprepared, 2.) Stupid gameplan, 3.) Stuck to stupid gameplan even after it was obvious Orlando had him figured out early on, 4.) QB position unable to recognize basic defenses, thus unprepared by Coaching Staff, and 5.) Staff unable to give meaningful in-game instruction to QB.

We bitched quite a bit about Anderson and his utter lack of preparation of WRs in 2013, which resulted in TB2 looking pretty bad. GMFP made a sea-change after that season, resulting in a renaissance which has lasted for a few years. But eventually, the opposing guys start to gnaw away at your plans and make adjustments. You have to adjust back, and we seem utterly unable to do this.

1) we scored on the first series so who did that actually happen. in fact we scored on two series in the first quarter.

3) changed to running robinson in the last series before half where frogs scored and took the lead. i believe they continually ran him in the 3rd quarter.

4) orlando was not running basic coverage in the 3rd quarter when it became apparent davis was shutting down the frog receiver to his side and boyd was breaking even with reager. no threat in the inside run game meant leaving the safeties back in pass coverage.

5) such as ..scheiss it.. see what you want to see

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

Stop talking GP, just stop talking. You're making yourself look even worse, if that is even possible at this point...

You guys try so hard not to blame Gary Patterson for losses like this. I blame him 100%. He is the head coach. The buck stops there. I think he is a great defensive co-ordinator, but I don't think he's a great head coach. I think the new coach at North Texas is better as a HEAD COACH.

I am sorry, Salfrog, but you are quite the moron. Of course the buck stops at the top, and coach takes that responsibility. Gary’s punt didn’t loose the game. A mistaken riddled QB, execution on both sides of the ball lost this game and the one before it. I do not know if we should have won either game, but we could have if not for mistakes and poor play. The punt was a strategy to keep 3 more points off the board. It would have been a mirical if we hadn’t punted an gone on to win the game. It would have been an impossibility had they scored 3 more points. One way mirical. The other way zero. As head coach he decided to wipe out the zero possibility, and hope for an even bigger mirical. Tough choice, yes! Right choice? I don’t know. I do know that without the stupid QB mistakes, poor tackling, sad special team play and an overall let down we wouldn’t have been in that position. One thing I know for sure, your assertion that AWLHCGMFP isn’t a better head coach than ntsu’s coach is moronic.
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BEAT isu!
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[Chongo94]

1) we scored on the first series so who did that actually happen. in fact we scored on two series in the first quarter.

3) changed to running robinson in the last series before half where frogs scored and took the lead. i believe they continually ran him in the 3rd quarter.

4) orlando was not running basic coverage in the 3rd quarter when it became apparent davis was shutting down the frog receiver to his side and boyd was breaking even with reager. no threat in the inside run game meant leaving the safeties back in pass coverage.

5) such as ..scheiss it.. see what you want to see

What happened to 2?