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Gary responds…
TCU football coach Gary Patterson goes on the defensive again
TCU football coach Gary Patterson goes on the defensive again
Gary responds…
TCU football coach Gary Patterson goes on the defensive again
BlueDuck: At what grade reading level would you say you are presently?
In LHCGP I trust. Bump in the road. Ya'll don't remember the early 80s at TCU. Brutal. Blowout losses, no attendance it was bad. When things look bleak, I just remember those days and how far TCU has come. Once I do that, I feel pretty good. TCU fan base is spoiled.
Permanent scars for some folks, I suppose.is there some type of requirement that any time any one mentions life after gary a disclaimer has to be included about how bad things were back in the shofner days?
It's a big bump, been going on 5 out of last six years....how long does that bump have to get? I was right there with you in late 80's early 90's for a ton of losses (and good times I might add)...but sooner or later all good things come to an end.In LHCGP I trust. Bump in the road. Ya'll don't remember the early 80s at TCU. Brutal. Blowout losses, no attendance it was bad. When things look bleak, I just remember those days and how far TCU has come. Once I do that, I feel pretty good. TCU fan base is spoiled.
I remember them. Just because things were once really bad doesn’t mean we should be content with mediocrity. That’s how you end up back at really bad again.In LHCGP I trust. Bump in the road. Ya'll don't remember the early 80s at TCU. Brutal. Blowout losses, no attendance it was bad. When things look bleak, I just remember those days and how far TCU has come. Once I do that, I feel pretty good. TCU fan base is spoiled.
I want to live in the world where he stays and does some real self reflection.Much to the Chagrin of many posters it doesn't look or sound like there will be many changes coming soon as far as Coach Patterson era is concerned, he's not going anywhere. LOL.
I think mediocrity is relative, though, and we need to be realistic about what the school is. We're still a small private university, and while we've done well with fundraising, we're not what some people think we should be (equivalent to LSU, UT, even schools like Arky). I see people talking about how great Matt Campbell is; the fact is he's led ISU to one 9 win season. Certainly big compared to what they've been, but that's perspective...I remember them. Just because things were once really bad doesn’t mean we should be content with mediocrity. That’s how you end up back at really bad again.
Good post. The part about Campbell and ISU is kind of eye-opening.I think mediocrity is relative, though, and we need to be realistic about what the school is. We're still a small private university, and while we've done well with fundraising, we're not what some people think we should be (equivalent to LSU, UT, even schools like Arky). I see people talking about how great Matt Campbell is; the fact is he's led ISU to one 9 win season. Certainly big compared to what they've been, but that's perspective...
I said at the time that we had better remember the Rose Bowl because it's unlikely we get back.
You can define success in lots of ways, but we've had more success in my book than TTU, KU, ISU, WVU for sure and pretty equivalent if not better than KSU and Baylor. So we're somewhere around the middle to top of the conference (UT hasn't done much the last ten years either). Which schools in the conference would you trade results and experiences with, other than OU?
We can think "we should be better", but should we really? I think we've definitely overachieved. I don't think we should be complacent and happy, but putting together the results we have had year after year is a difficult thing for a small school. Similar schools haven't had sustained runs of success.
To me, being competitive all of the time and having occasional runs at the top is a pretty big accomplishment in itself. That's just my realistic perspective.
Don't disagree; generally we have been.Good post. The part about Campbell and ISU is kind of eye-opening.
I do think we should almost always be better than them and KSU though.
I think mediocrity is relative, though, and we need to be realistic about what the school is. We're still a small private university, and while we've done well with fundraising, we're not what some people think we should be (equivalent to LSU, UT, even schools like Arky). I see people talking about how great Matt Campbell is; the fact is he's led ISU to one 9 win season. Certainly big compared to what they've been, but that's perspective...
I said at the time that we had better remember the Rose Bowl because it's unlikely we get back.
You can define success in lots of ways, but we've had more success in my book than TTU, KU, ISU, WVU for sure and pretty equivalent if not better than KSU and Baylor. So we're somewhere around the middle to top of the conference (UT hasn't done much the last ten years either). Which schools in the conference would you trade results and experiences with, other than OU?
We can think "we should be better", but should we really? I think we've definitely overachieved. I don't think we should be complacent and happy, but putting together the results we have had year after year is a difficult thing for a small school. Similar schools haven't had sustained runs of success.
To me, being competitive all of the time and having occasional runs at the top is a pretty big accomplishment in itself. That's just my realistic perspective.
You're welcome to think that we should accomplish more than Penn St, USC, Michigan, and Texas, but to call my perspective low expectations is silly.It's this type of thinking that completes tyranny of low expectations. "Should we really be better?" Answer = yes. Always yes. Poor small school shelling out $6M to its head coach while having invested in excellent facilities. Other small schools haven't had sustained success so why should we expect to?
Horrid, fatalistic, pedestrian thinking IMO (and I'd say the same if TCU was a huge state-supported school). Biden/WAPO-level thinking -- should lower your expectations.
Yep. This is exactly how your program ends up where we were 30 years ago.I think mediocrity is relative, though, and we need to be realistic about what the school is. We're still a small private university, and while we've done well with fundraising, we're not what some people think we should be (equivalent to LSU, UT, even schools like Arky). I see people talking about how great Matt Campbell is; the fact is he's led ISU to one 9 win season. Certainly big compared to what they've been, but that's perspective...
I said at the time that we had better remember the Rose Bowl because it's unlikely we get back.
You can define success in lots of ways, but we've had more success in my book than TTU, KU, ISU, WVU for sure and pretty equivalent if not better than KSU and Baylor. So we're somewhere around the middle to top of the conference (UT hasn't done much the last ten years either). Which schools in the conference would you trade results and experiences with, other than OU?
We can think "we should be better", but should we really? I think we've definitely overachieved. I don't think we should be complacent and happy, but putting together the results we have had year after year is a difficult thing for a small school. Similar schools haven't had sustained runs of success.
To me, being competitive all of the time and having occasional runs at the top is a pretty big accomplishment in itself. That's just my realistic perspective.
He didn’t say anything about expecting to be better than Penn State, et al., nor does he say anything about expecting CWS visits and NY6 bowl games. He’s calling out those that are ok with mediocre seasons because it’s better than the previous century. That’s the kind of thinking that gets you left behindYou're welcome to think that we should accomplish more than Penn St, USC, Michigan, and Texas, but to call my perspective low expectations is silly.
You obviously think TCU is bigger than it is and have become horribly spoiled to feel disappointed when the school has been to multiple CWS, two BCS, and one NY6 bowl and think that should be an expectation.
I think we should expect occasional visits to those type events. That's not low expectations.
Your perspective is low expectations.You're welcome to think that we should accomplish more than Penn St, USC, Michigan, and Texas, but to call my perspective low expectations is silly.
You obviously think TCU is bigger than it is and have become horribly spoiled to feel disappointed when the school has been to multiple CWS, two BCS, and one NY6 bowl and think that should be an expectation.
I think we should expect occasional visits to those type events. That's not low expectations.