I am just accepting the reality of TCU Football

[LisaLT]

I agree it does need to go away. I asked it at a time of frustration. I know he could not function in the new world of college football. I will think before I post on the coaching topic again.

I think it's the memory of the great years we had under Patterson that makes this question come up and our current feeling of desperation and despair about where the program seems to be headed under the current staff. 2009/2010 and 2014 were truly epic. In many ways, better than 2022.

Ironically, Patterson did adapt to a different style of play with our offense back in 2014 when we were a few years into the Big12. He did recognize we needed to implement the spread offense/air raid in order to compete against these other programs that were running that offense. He hired Cumbie/Meacham, and we had the skill players to make it work.

Perhaps over time he himself changed more than the game. You can have talented players around you, but if you are not relating well to them, you are not going to get the best performance out of these kids. I think that hurt him as much as anything, which contributed to the firing.

He could never come back as HC. That ship has sailed. It's too bad though, that his insights into our defensive woes and ways to address that could not be utilized. I'm sure he has thoughts on the subject.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

The stats are convincing on Dykes. In one simple statement, Sports Illustrated said it all. Dykes is an average talented coach.. His skill set does not fit the needs of TCU. (actually, what R his skill set.)..I will also say his skill sets did not fit with California, the Louisiana school, and most likely SMU. With twenty minutes of investigation, we should have realized he would not be a fit for TCU either. But the personalities difference between Patterson and Doniti, Doniti wanted to take control of the football program with a quick decision in favor of Dykes. (It got pretty ugly at times between those two) I think Gary saw Doniti didn't know how to handle a big time program and became very frustrated with the job, and felt he had tenure over the AD no matter who it was. Also at this point, Gary was realizing the future of football, esp with NIL, and began to doubt his abilities to direct a successful program in this current climate. Gary did not help this along and possibly wanted to pass gracefully and leave with fanfare which he deserved. That set the stage and Doniti said to himself, I've got to take control of this mess, right now and Dykes was close. and easy.

The championship team through the grace of God came together. The stars
aligned themselves with that team. Andy became the greatest QB in TCU history with that group of guys,. wow, they just became unstoppable! In my opinion Dykes cannot take much credit for the record of that season based on the current direction of this season. I was fortunate to live and breathe their success too! Boy, was that season REALLY something~! I have to say thanks to the Gods, thanks, so very much! It's a whole paragraph in the book of my life.

I think Dykes realizes he's finished at TCU and cannot give fans and alums an above-average team. Something needs to be addressed with the AD, too. He too, has shown no skill sets for this college football culture with its current climate. That's a TALL order for TCU who in the past has not shown it can hire a great coach. (ck the records) Still amazed we hired CDC for his direction we became more than an above average program. A program admired nationally by all.

All of this in time will right itself, it has NO choice.

Donati.

Please.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

GP was the brains. He was the Xs and Os guy. FRAN was a figure head CEO type.

I don't doubt this. It's not only commonly known, but it was essentially proven empirically by Franchione's record at Bama and aTm. The fact remains that GP was still the DC, not the HC. I have serious doubts that if GP had been named head coach in '98, things would have turned out the same way. In other words, he got three years to grow right into the job. GP's first year had a whole bunch of head-scratching moments and I do recall many, myself included, wondering whether or not we had made the right decision. There were times that first year on the sidelines where he looked completely lost and unsure of what he should be doing.

But then he learned to be the field general we saw for the next 20 or so years, and it was a glorious era.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

I think it's the memory of the great years we had under Patterson that makes this question come up and our current feeling of desperation and despair about where the program seems to be headed under the current staff. 2009/2010 and 2014 were truly epic. In many ways, better than 2022.

Ironically, Patterson did adapt to a different style of play with our offense back in 2014 when we were a few years into the Big12. He did recognize we needed to implement the spread offense/air raid in order to compete against these other programs that were running that offense. He hired Cumbie/Meacham, and we had the skill players to make it work.

Perhaps over time he himself changed more than the game. You can have talented players around you, but if you are not relating well to them, you are not going to get the best performance out of these kids. I think that hurt him as much as anything, which contributed to the firing.

He could never come back as HC. That ship has sailed. It's too bad though, that his insights into our defensive woes and ways to address that could not be utilized. I'm sure he has thoughts on the subject.

GP had several "come to Jesus" moments with himself in his career. The 70-35 game rocked him, so he went back to the drawing board. Thus was borne "speed, baby, speed" and we got the 12-3 game out of that, the lowest Leach was ever held, I believe. The defense became a force for years.

He finally learned to trust a QB with Dalton, and he developed way beyond expectations. He knew that recruiting in the B12 was going to be impossible without a high-powered offense, so as you pointed out, he brought in Cumbie/Meacham in '14 and look what happened then.

This is relevant today because as I look back on all of that, I realize we always had confidence that GP could adapt and adjust, at least until towards the very end.

I don't sense that many people believe Dykes has any ability to adapt and adjust to dig us out of the hole he's created.

 

[FroginBedford68]

I think it's the memory of the great years we had under Patterson that makes this question come up and our current feeling of desperation and despair about where the program seems to be headed under the current staff. 2009/2010 and 2014 were truly epic. In many ways, better than 2022.

Ironically, Patterson did adapt to a different style of play with our offense back in 2014 when we were a few years into the Big12. He did recognize we needed to implement the spread offense/air raid in order to compete against these other programs that were running that offense. He hired Cumbie/Meacham, and we had the skill players to make it work.

Perhaps over time he himself changed more than the game. You can have talented players around you, but if you are not relating well to them, you are not going to get the best performance out of these kids. I think that hurt him as much as anything, which contributed to the firing.

He could never come back as HC. That ship has sailed. It's too bad though, that his insights into our defensive woes and ways to address that could not be utilized. I'm sure he has thoughts on the subject.

Don't remember the exact year, but it was during the George Floyd unrest that he tried to get the players to avoid and desist from using the "n" word...and verbalized it in the meeting room...2019, 2020, maybe....The teams had already begun to not respond well to him after the 2017 season, then the woke and cancellation culture, then Corona virus....All which could not be eliminated as distractions from his coaching style....Willie Shakespeare might have been clairvoyant when he texted

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves

 

[FrogBall09]

I love how you pick and choose certain years. Laughable.
GP has had a Hall of Fame career. Attempting to down play that is foolish.

You are arguing with the biggest idiot on the board and that’s a high bar

 

[SW toad]

Don't remember the exact year, but it was during the George Floyd unrest that he tried to get the players to avoid and desist from using the "n" word...and verbalized it in the meeting room...2019, 2020, maybe....The teams had already begun to not respond well to him after the 2017 season, then the woke and cancellation culture, then Corona virus....All which could not be eliminated as distractions from his coaching style....Willie Shakespeare might have been clairvoyant when he texted

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves

I had several conversations with Bradley Dale Peveto last year about TCUs locker room and what he heard from reputable sources about what GP said to the players regarding the N word. Peveto knows GP and dozens of coaches who've worked in Texas/Louisiana over the last 20 years. He told me that Locker word discussion is what accelerated things.

Peveto is a respected LB coach from LSUs 07 nat champ team as well as Defensive coordinator stops including his current DC position at Texas State. His Boss is G.J. Kinne.

 

[westoverhillbilly]

I started following TCU football in the mid/late 60's as a pre-teen. While there have certainly been some recent down times, we're far from where we were in the 1960-1990s when we were perennial cellar dwellers operating on a shoe-string budget and falling seemingly further behind year after year.

I feel that TCU will work its way out of this kink, but it's a difficult task in that the Big 12 is tougher than many people think. But, we have some advantages that will allow us to get back. It will take new personnel I'm afraid.

 

[Dutch]

It wasn’t just the last 1-3 years folks!! That’s not the right answer either!!View attachment 16389

All better than now. All of his great seasons mean nothing to you people.

 

[Dutch]

Wacker was a very nice man. He was incredibly naive about the NCAA though.

He also had integrity which doesn’t mean much anymore.

 

[Dutch]

The reality is that in 2024 TCU is big time anyway you measure it. The right coach can turn it around quickly. After watching the SMU ejection and the post Houston press conference (Sonny couldn't even look up) TCU is the worst team in the conference.
All of you big boosters that got GP fired should tell ADJD what to do now.

 

[Dutch]

LOL the graphic that blocks out an 11-3 in 2017 and 11-2 in 2015.

This board needs to remember that we aren't Alabama or tOSU.

Yes GMFP had "only" two 11 win seasons in his last seven (actually three counting 2014). Maybe that is who we are - a team that will be average for a few years and jump up and have a big one every so often. That would be as good as or better than plenty of much bigger schools.

2022 was set up for a great year, but Sonny got to benefit from it.

 

[froginaustin]

Donati.

Please.

Donati. Doniti.

Tomato. Tomahto.