Gary coming back will never happen. Too much pride and ego's on both sides for that to occur. And honestly I don't think we need another head coach from somewhere else. What about getting a young OC or DC who was involved in a winning program that is looking for a chance to make his mark?
I am just accepting the reality of TCU Football
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Two things....
1) 2019-2021....if those years weren't as bad as the last year and a half, they were close. People want to talk about embarrassing performances, Okie State in 2021 takes the prize.
2) I don't know how much, but some of what is happening goes beyond the coaching staff, and honestly goes beyond the AD and whoever else you want to blame. Let's get a new coaching staff in here, but I don't think it's gonna change much.
BrewingFrog
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Exactly. If you are afraid of rotten apples, don't go to the barrel, go to the tree.
For what its worth (which is nothing) I think the beginning of the end for Patterson was the 2021 Cal game. We were playing down to their level, the stadium was half empty, GP was berating his defense and our superstud Zach Evans disappeared after a few good runs. We played Texas tough but couldn't get the w. Again Evans was put on the shelf. The season just went down hill from there.
Not blaming Evans for the demise of GP. It is a shame he wasn't interested in making TCU a winning team. I am still befuddled by the whole Zach Evans "era".
Not blaming Evans for the demise of GP. It is a shame he wasn't interested in making TCU a winning team. I am still befuddled by the whole Zach Evans "era".
I think GP's coddling of ZE accelerated his downfall. It was just so un-GP to do that with a player, basically letting the kid call his own shots and dictate his own playing time. Don't care how "good" of a kid he was. Not even buying that he was a good kid, good kids don't get benched before the state championship game for doing whatever he was doing, that just doesn't happen unless the kid is a royal pain in the ass. And GP just LOVED him some Zack Evans. And our fan base sure had a hell of a lot of ZE apologists, GP let in and embraced a locker room cancer.
Could have been a Heisman candidate for us or Old Miss. Shame he didn't want to be a team player.
BrewingFrog
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It wasn't necessarily the game, it was treating some players as "more special than everybody else." He tried this with Alex Delton, and it blew up in his face. Evans was an electric talent, but his head was screwed on wrong. GP tried to play the game Evans' way, get what he could out of him, and all he managed to do was alienate many of his other kids. The Old Taskmaster tried to play the game the New Way, and failed miserably at it. It runs counter to everything he knew and believed about the game.
I spotlight that game because I was witnessing something in TCU football I hadn't seen in a while. Fan apathy, player apathy and a player showing the world (as he would continue to do through out his college career) that he was more important than the team. As I said the beginning of the end.
Mean Purple
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Not sure if folks have noticed, but the stuff GP coached is making big strides in college right now.
Mean Purple
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Mean Purple
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Nonsense. Sorry, dude, but that's loser talk.
Goo
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I can remember games in mid 90’s there weren’t 2.000 people at kickoff.
Goo
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I sit behind the players every home game for 20 years. The sideline is most apathetic I’ve ever seen.
frogetaboutit
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His career ended when his handlers started making all his decisions for him which was way before he ever went pro.
If this is the end of his career, he got what he deserved. Whoever his handlers are, they are idiots. Never seen such a circus around a kid’s recruitment in my life.
Well, there’s a statue in front of ACS of a guy who had a 52% winning percentage in the Big 12, and a bunch of people want to bring that guy back. What exactly is the standard here?
Big Frog II
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There is no reason why TCU can not be among the leaders of the Big 12 since Texas and Oklahoma have left. There are a bunch of schools currently outperforming us that don't have resources any better than ours. If the administration provides the tools the team should be successful. Currently it is a coaching issue. Even a school like Texas can fail with the wrong coach. See Charlie Strong.
Not surprising at all, this is professional football now. Ever observe the bench in an NFL game? Or an NBA huddle. There's always a few guys into it and then the rest just kinda stand there like they don't have a care in the world. And deep down they probably don't care all that much, as long as the check cashes.
So I'd guess it'll gradually get more and more like that across college football. Why wouldn't it? Like I said, this is professional football now.
It's mostly a talent issue IMO, and if you want to say the acquisition of talent is a coaching issue, that's fair. But acquiring talent is a group effort now ($$$).
How many other Big 12 schools would Josh Hoover start for? How many other Big 12 schools would trade their O-line and D-line's for ours? I would guess the answer to those questions would be not very many. So here we are.....
