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Hate to be 1 of those guys but Johnson's got to go

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robbroyy

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The kids could literally do better without a coach. 31 points?! This wasn't Kentucky or Duke. 40 points last week vs Prairie View at home.
 
BABYFACE

BABYFACE

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Knee jerk, huh?

Actually has a good class coming in for next year so far. Depth and scoters thin right now. Losing Fields was a big blow.

You might want to give the guy at least. Couple of seasons and recruiting classes first.
 
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robbroyy

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I understand it's extremely knee jerk but really 31 points to NW and 44 at HOME to Prairie View! About as bad as you could possibly start.

Can't see Johnson opening it up even with the talent. He appears to be a milk the clock till last second guy.
 
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frog525

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I believe we are down to 8 or 9 scholarship players. Most of these guys are good athletes than can defend, but are unable to create their own shot on the offensive end.

It appears CTJ has evaluated the current situation and knows the only shot we have is to slow it down and make each possession meaningful. We will see what happens in future years when we get a few players back and add some new talent.

This year, the team is playing much harder on the defensive end and should improve with some good coaching, however the improvement will come about the time we get to league play when we will be significantly over-matched.
 
Travis Trucks

Travis Trucks

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robbroyy said:
I understand it's extremely knee jerk but really 31 points to NW and 44 at HOME to Prairie View! About as bad as you could possibly start.

Can't see Johnson opening it up even with the talent. He appears to be a milk the clock till last second guy.
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List of successful teams that run a slow pace shot clock milking offense:

Georgetown
Wisconsin
Eddie Sutton's Oklahoma State teams
Utah State
Virginia
Drexel
Michigan
Alabama
Northern Iowa

Just off the top of my head.

I think the fact is that we have very limited offensive talent. Abron is good, but he is starting to draw double and triple teams. We do not have the outside shooting threat to make teams respect it, so they just collapse inside and dare us to shoot a jump shot. Combine that with the fact that we really have no offensive post prescence besides Abron, our offensive options are limited.
 
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itsalizard

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This isn't gonna work. Good recruiting so far but Moe Iba basketball won't allow that to last. Making the team conform to his system, regardless of talent, has fail written all over it. The fans will hate it and the players will quit. Coach needs to adjust to hi talent until he has the player to run his system.
 
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First Tee Frog

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itsalizard said:
This isn't gonna work. Good recruiting so far but Moe Iba basketball won't allow that to last. Making the team conform to his system, regardless of talent, has fail written all over it. The fans will hate it and the players will quit. Coach needs to adjust to hi talent until he has the player to run his system.
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He is doing what you said. He has said you play as fast as you can. Our talent dictates that we can't play very fast right now so we are going to grind out possessions and shorten the game. As he gets talent the pace will quicken.
 
BleedNPurple

BleedNPurple

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For the most part.....he's winning. I think he's slowing it down because he's building a nut and bolt team. If you let them get out and improvise early they won't have the right basics. Coach is getting these guys dialed into discipline first - they will get their chance to run.
 
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Can't Frog This

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Relax, Let him get 2 recruiting classes in here and we lost our best player in Amric Fields for the year. Johnson has said himself this is a work in progress. Deep breaths my friend.
 
Travis Trucks

Travis Trucks

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The reason the Ivy League/Service Academy schools all run slowdown Princeton offenses is because they don't have the talent to do anything else, so their best shot at winning is to shorten the game, limit the number of possessions in the game and hope that you make the most of every possession, while playing smart defense.

We are in the same boat. Don't have the talent or players to play a high possession, uptempo game. Therefore our only shot is to limit the number of possessions to about 50-55 per game, and hope we can convert on 25 of them. Then hope on the defensive end we do enough to keep the other team from converting on more of their possesions. Also not allow any transition, get back on defense after every shot, don't worry about offensive rebounds.

Utah State runs, in my opinion, the best offensive system in the country. They have about 200 offensive sets or so in a motion offense/Princeton hybrid. But they usually have a deadeye outside shooter or two and a solid space eater in the offensive post to execute it. It's a thing of beauty when it works, but athletic teams can disrupt it if they can force turnovers. I see this being the direction Trent Johnson is taking us, only a more athletic version of what Utah State does and a bit more solid on defense.
 
yurintroubl

yurintroubl

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Johnson isn't going to put a high-scoring team out there. LSU scored much lower point totals during his tenure. What will happen is this team will be STRONG on defense... frustratingly so as they get the system down. The players will adjust to the pace of the offense and make more of their shot opportunities. Right now they're probably fighting certain reflexes. They will get it.

If you look at their shooting percentage - You'll see the real issue right now. Point totals will go up when we start shooting over 35%.



ETA:

Our shooting percentage from the field was 26% tonight. That's why we're scoring so low... Not the system.
 
PurpleBlood87

PurpleBlood87

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Good Lord someone is ready to let him go four games into the season. Remind me how long this program had to suffer with Neil Dougherty at the helm.
 

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