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HFrog1999

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TCUdirtbag

Active Member
Update on the media rights landscape:

First, a reminder of where we were a month ago: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf...cf-negotiating-settlement-to-join-big-12-2023

- That AAC deal is done, lawyers are haggling over verbiage and indemnification plus payment terms, but it's done.

- Expect the following dominoes to fall in the coming days/weeks/months that will likely see UT and OU depart the Big 12 after this athletics season and ahead of the 2023-2024 season:

--- The Big Ten has finalized their new media rights deal, FOX has retained most of it. The last critical variable at play was whether CBS would bid (and would FOX decide not to counter) on the "premier Saturday package" that would see one Big Ten weekly game on linear CBS instead of the current SEC game, which is moving to ESPN. Reminder: FOX now owns a majority stake in the Big Ten Network, and they have the right of first refusal on any/all rights negotiations with other rights holders. In other words, FOX could choose to own 100% of all Big Ten rights if it wants to, but the league can still seek competitive bids if they want (and they did).

--- The SEC is waiting on the Big Ten... Why? In part because ESPN needs to know how much content they will or won't have going forward (budgeting) from the Big Ten, and in part because they are waiting to see if CBS wins out in their bid for the premier Saturday package. If they do, ESPN and CBS already have the terms worked out so that ESPN can buy out CBS' final year of their contract with the SEC (2023-2024 athletic year), thus all SEC content will be on ESPN networks effective next year, vs 2024-2025 which was the current expectation. If CBS does not win that Big Ten bid, I expect CBS to hold onto that Saturday game which is a GREAT deal for CBS.

--- Once this gets resolved, the SEC will finalize a new deal with ESPN which is already done on paper, except for a few T&Cs, and I expect Texas and OU will officially request to leave the Big 12 early (after this 2022-2023 season), which is two years earlier than their rights agreement with the Big 12 allows for. On paper, they will owe approximately $60 million each (or $120 million total for both schools), but that will likely get negotiated down to roughly half that or so I imagine. This allows the SEC to achieve their best-case scenario (presuming the CBS deal is also done) and have their full league and content slate arranged starting with the 2023-2024 season.

--- Then starts the hard work of negotiating a new rights deal for the Big 12... ESPN and FOX will be in the first position, and though the remaining 8 teams from the old league will enjoy an $8 million cash infusion to help offset the departures of Texas and OU, the league's ongoing rights are simply not going to be as valuable, which necessitates a new deal from the rights-holders perspective. The PAC 12 is also out hunting for a new deal, but their pursuit is further complicated by the PAC 12 Network which needs a home... Apple and ESPN are the biggest pursuers here. I could also see FOX getting involved, as they discussed purchasing/partnering on distribution in the past (as did ESPN), but the PAC 12 wasn't open to that deal then... are they now? Also, how much $$ will FOX have after the Big Ten deal? If they buy out all Big Ten rights ($$$), going big with the PAC 12 would be tough.

The new Big 12 would benefit from exercising their first-mover advantage and, if able, extending with ESPN and Fox for roughly five more years or so... Some figures have been exchanged, and from what I understand they aren't half bad for the Big 12 (from my perspective). The league could decide to wait it out, with the cash from Texas/OU plus the buy-in savings from the four new members the remaining eight teams won't see too much of an immediate financial hit, but the longer you wait the more likely it is you won't have a dance partner at the end of the day... College sports rights aren't what they were three years ago, there is still a healthy market but mostly for top-level teams and brands, which the new Big 12 is short on. We shall see what happens.
Just dropping some additional commentary from the SBJ podcast:
 

Horny 4 Life

Active Member
Update on the media rights landscape:

First, a reminder of where we were a month ago: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf...cf-negotiating-settlement-to-join-big-12-2023

- That AAC deal is done, lawyers are haggling over verbiage and indemnification plus payment terms, but it's done.

- Expect the following dominoes to fall in the coming days/weeks/months that will likely see UT and OU depart the Big 12 after this athletics season and ahead of the 2023-2024 season:

--- The Big Ten has finalized their new media rights deal, FOX has retained most of it. The last critical variable at play was whether CBS would bid (and would FOX decide not to counter) on the "premier Saturday package" that would see one Big Ten weekly game on linear CBS instead of the current SEC game, which is moving to ESPN. Reminder: FOX now owns a majority stake in the Big Ten Network, and they have the right of first refusal on any/all rights negotiations with other rights holders. In other words, FOX could choose to own 100% of all Big Ten rights if it wants to, but the league can still seek competitive bids if they want (and they did).

--- The SEC is waiting on the Big Ten... Why? In part because ESPN needs to know how much content they will or won't have going forward (budgeting) from the Big Ten, and in part because they are waiting to see if CBS wins out in their bid for the premier Saturday package. If they do, ESPN and CBS already have the terms worked out so that ESPN can buy out CBS' final year of their contract with the SEC (2023-2024 athletic year), thus all SEC content will be on ESPN networks effective next year, vs 2024-2025 which was the current expectation. If CBS does not win that Big Ten bid, I expect CBS to hold onto that Saturday game which is a GREAT deal for CBS.

--- Once this gets resolved, the SEC will finalize a new deal with ESPN which is already done on paper, except for a few T&Cs, and I expect Texas and OU will officially request to leave the Big 12 early (after this 2022-2023 season), which is two years earlier than their rights agreement with the Big 12 allows for. On paper, they will owe approximately $60 million each (or $120 million total for both schools), but that will likely get negotiated down to roughly half that or so I imagine. This allows the SEC to achieve their best-case scenario (presuming the CBS deal is also done) and have their full league and content slate arranged starting with the 2023-2024 season.

--- Then starts the hard work of negotiating a new rights deal for the Big 12... ESPN and FOX will be in the first position, and though the remaining 8 teams from the old league will enjoy an $8 million cash infusion to help offset the departures of Texas and OU, the league's ongoing rights are simply not going to be as valuable, which necessitates a new deal from the rights-holders perspective. The PAC 12 is also out hunting for a new deal, but their pursuit is further complicated by the PAC 12 Network which needs a home... Apple and ESPN are the biggest pursuers here. I could also see FOX getting involved, as they discussed purchasing/partnering on distribution in the past (as did ESPN), but the PAC 12 wasn't open to that deal then... are they now? Also, how much $$ will FOX have after the Big Ten deal? If they buy out all Big Ten rights ($$$), going big with the PAC 12 would be tough.

The new Big 12 would benefit from exercising their first-mover advantage and, if able, extending with ESPN and Fox for roughly five more years or so... Some figures have been exchanged, and from what I understand they aren't half bad for the Big 12 (from my perspective). The league could decide to wait it out, with the cash from Texas/OU plus the buy-in savings from the four new members the remaining eight teams won't see too much of an immediate financial hit, but the longer you wait the more likely it is you won't have a dance partner at the end of the day... College sports rights aren't what they were three years ago, there is still a healthy market but mostly for top-level teams and brands, which the new Big 12 is short on. We shall see what happens.

Sadly, I think TCU ends up on the outside looking in no matter what. Honestly, I don't really care anymore. I love TCU and have tons of great memories revolving around our sports teams, but I have a real hard time caring about college football anymore. Between the hectic schedule of my own life and the increasingly professional nature of college sports, I'm losing interest even more rapidly than I anticipated.
 

Horny 4 Life

Active Member
Curious if it might be more enjoyable moving down a division.
Not as much national reputation and the rivalries would change but lots of smaller schools still love their football teams. Then the transfers and NIL stuff would be minimal.
It would certainly change the dynamic. Our local FCS team has passionate fans but the stadium is rarely close to full. It kind of reminds me of TCU in the C-USA and early MWC days.

However, I think the transfers and NIL stuff will trickle down to that level pretty quickly.
 

Horny 4 Life

Active Member
You boys go ahead and quit. The rest of us will keep pressing on till it is no longer viable at this level if that happens. Then we will keep on keeping on for TCU at whatever level we play. Never give up!!!

Appreciate ya.

I consider the money I gave to TCU athletics to have been a good investment with a great return. However, I've cashed out.

I'll still go to every game they play at WVU, because it's driving distance for me. I'll travel to some destination away games and attend home games if I'm in town. I'll follow the games online. I'll always buy and wear/display TCU gear. However, i'm no longer planning every fall Saturday around TCU games and my money is going to specific academic interests instead of athletics.
 

geezer

Colonel, USAF (Retired)
Update on the media rights landscape:

First, a reminder of where we were a month ago: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf...cf-negotiating-settlement-to-join-big-12-2023

- That AAC deal is done, lawyers are haggling over verbiage and indemnification plus payment terms, but it's done.

- Expect the following dominoes to fall in the coming days/weeks/months that will likely see UT and OU depart the Big 12 after this athletics season and ahead of the 2023-2024 season:

--- The Big Ten has finalized their new media rights deal, FOX has retained most of it. The last critical variable at play was whether CBS would bid (and would FOX decide not to counter) on the "premier Saturday package" that would see one Big Ten weekly game on linear CBS instead of the current SEC game, which is moving to ESPN. Reminder: FOX now owns a majority stake in the Big Ten Network, and they have the right of first refusal on any/all rights negotiations with other rights holders. In other words, FOX could choose to own 100% of all Big Ten rights if it wants to, but the league can still seek competitive bids if they want (and they did).

--- The SEC is waiting on the Big Ten... Why? In part because ESPN needs to know how much content they will or won't have going forward (budgeting) from the Big Ten, and in part because they are waiting to see if CBS wins out in their bid for the premier Saturday package. If they do, ESPN and CBS already have the terms worked out so that ESPN can buy out CBS' final year of their contract with the SEC (2023-2024 athletic year), thus all SEC content will be on ESPN networks effective next year, vs 2024-2025 which was the current expectation. If CBS does not win that Big Ten bid, I expect CBS to hold onto that Saturday game which is a GREAT deal for CBS.

--- Once this gets resolved, the SEC will finalize a new deal with ESPN which is already done on paper, except for a few T&Cs, and I expect Texas and OU will officially request to leave the Big 12 early (after this 2022-2023 season), which is two years earlier than their rights agreement with the Big 12 allows for. On paper, they will owe approximately $60 million each (or $120 million total for both schools), but that will likely get negotiated down to roughly half that or so I imagine. This allows the SEC to achieve their best-case scenario (presuming the CBS deal is also done) and have their full league and content slate arranged starting with the 2023-2024 season.

--- Then starts the hard work of negotiating a new rights deal for the Big 12... ESPN and FOX will be in the first position, and though the remaining 8 teams from the old league will enjoy an $8 million cash infusion to help offset the departures of Texas and OU, the league's ongoing rights are simply not going to be as valuable, which necessitates a new deal from the rights-holders perspective. The PAC 12 is also out hunting for a new deal, but their pursuit is further complicated by the PAC 12 Network which needs a home... Apple and ESPN are the biggest pursuers here. I could also see FOX getting involved, as they discussed purchasing/partnering on distribution in the past (as did ESPN), but the PAC 12 wasn't open to that deal then... are they now? Also, how much $$ will FOX have after the Big Ten deal? If they buy out all Big Ten rights ($$$), going big with the PAC 12 would be tough.

The new Big 12 would benefit from exercising their first-mover advantage and, if able, extending with ESPN and Fox for roughly five more years or so... Some figures have been exchanged, and from what I understand they aren't half bad for the Big 12 (from my perspective). The league could decide to wait it out, with the cash from Texas/OU plus the buy-in savings from the four new members the remaining eight teams won't see too much of an immediate financial hit, but the longer you wait the more likely it is you won't have a dance partner at the end of the day... College sports rights aren't what they were three years ago, there is still a healthy market but mostly for top-level teams and brands, which the new Big 12 is short on. We shall see what happens.


“We’re still on track for a July 1, 2025, transition,” OU athletic director Joe Castiglione reported Wednesday.

Appears OU/UT still playing "hide the weenie" about their actual departure plans...
 

“We’re still on track for a July 1, 2025, transition,” OU athletic director Joe Castiglione reported Wednesday.

Appears OU/UT still playing "hide the weenie" about their actual departure plans...
If CBS goes a different direction and the SEC can't unify rights, that could happen... SEC and ESPN need maximum reasons to reorganize their rights deal, and the SEC membership isn't thrilled their buy-in fees from Texas and OU will be reduced/eliminated to help those schools pay to leave the Big 12 early. So it's possible.

All that said, it's highly unlikely for all the reasons I covered. TX and OU want out of the Big 12 yesterday.
 
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WIN

Active Member
If CBS goes a different direction and the SEC can't unify rights, that could happen... SEC and ESPN need maximum reasons to reorganize their rights deal, and the SEC membership isn't thrilled their buy-in fees from Texas and OU will be reduced/eliminated to help those schools pay to leave the Big 21 early. So it's possible.

All that said, it's highly unlikely for all the reasons I covered. TX and OU want out of the Big 12 yesterday.
Big 21? Sounds interesting
 

nwlafrog

Active Member
Can anyone point me in the right direction on getting a credit card for my small business? It is primarily for lawn work, land clearing, equipment and material purchases and fuel. Currently I’m using my old discover credit card that I’ve always had.
 

Ron Swanson

Full Member
Can anyone point me in the right direction on getting a credit card for my small business? It is primarily for lawn work, land clearing, equipment and material purchases and fuel. Currently I’m using my old discover credit card that I’ve always had.
I’m pretty sure I see a lot of commercials for capital one CC’s for small business. Maybe give them a shout.
 

froginmn

Full Member
Can anyone point me in the right direction on getting a credit card for my small business? It is primarily for lawn work, land clearing, equipment and material purchases and fuel. Currently I’m using my old discover credit card that I’ve always had.
I would think that pretty much any bank could set it up or refer you. When my wife started her business we worked directly with our primary personal bank. Definitely advisable to set up separate bank accounts and credit cards, etc.

Good luck with the business!
 
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