Government suing NCAA for punishing Penn St

[McFroggin]

The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is suing the NCAA for its sanctions on Penn St over covering up a long-time child abuser. They are claiming a loss of income in the state due to fewer fans and opposing fans visiting the city and spending money. They argue that child abuse has nothing to do with athletic competition.

This is our government - spending our money on this. If it were TCU, I'd welcome the sanctions.

 

[Frog DJ]

It sounds to me as if this is more about the governor's reelection effort than anything else, but that's just my uninformed opinion.

Go Frogs!

 

[DangerFrog]

It's a good move. How, in any stretch of the imagination, did Penn State break any NCAA violations? They should have let the players leave at their will and then stop.

 

[The original ArgyleFrog]

 

[BrewingFrog]

The NCAA jumped in front of everybody and dropped these sanctions. Even the NCAA poo-bahs called their actions "unprecedented" and outside their normal area of operations.

You see, the issue is whether the NCAA has any business whatsoever acting as an enforcer in what is a criminal matter. The NCAA is set up to act as the rules enforcer of fairness in Collegiate athletics comeptition. Their job is to make sure that there is a level playing field for all schools in areas of intercollegiate sports. To see that, say, Auburn doesn't pay recruits to choose their school over others. To make sure there is no competitive advantage outside of agreed-upon rules.

In this instance, the NCAA jumped ahead of the normal enforcer of criminal activity (You know, the cops, Courts, etc.) and meted out various fines, Bowl bans and Scholarship limits. Being mindful of the NCAA's mission and sphere of activity, I find it very difficult to understand what competitive advantage they gained over, say, Ohio State by having an ex-coach bugger little boys in their showers. None springs to mind...

I am second to none in wishing hellish fire and complete destruction upon PSU for the abomination of Sandusky. But, it is not the NCAA's job to act in a criminal matter!

I am, however, quite curious to find out via discovery, what if any contacts there were between the BIG10/ESPN and the NCAA regarding the penalties handed down. Collusion? Hmmm...

 

[pcf]

The NCAA jumped in front of everybody and dropped these sanctions. Even the NCAA poo-bahs called their actions "unprecedented" and outside their normal area of operations.

You see, the issue is whether the NCAA has any business whatsoever acting as an enforcer in what is a criminal matter. The NCAA is set up to act as the rules enforcer of fairness in Collegiate athletics comeptition. Their job is to make sure that there is a level playing field for all schools in areas of intercollegiate sports. To see that, say, Auburn doesn't pay recruits to choose their school over others. To make sure there is no competitive advantage outside of agreed-upon rules.

In this instance, the NCAA jumped ahead of the normal enforcer of criminal activity (You know, the cops, Courts, etc.) and meted out various fines, Bowl bans and Scholarship limits. Being mindful of the NCAA's mission and sphere of activity, I find it very difficult to understand what competitive advantage they gained over, say, Ohio State by having an ex-coach bugger little boys in their showers. None springs to mind...

I am second to none in wishing hellish fire and complete destruction upon PSU for the abomination of Sandusky. But, it is not the NCAA's job to act in a criminal matter!

So you don't think the cover up of a criminal matter by the football program and the administration to protect the reputation of the program which has to recruit players to compete has any competitive implications? Or just because they hadn't written a specific rule about it, the body cannot decide to come together to act on it?

Did Penn State, as a member of the organization, agree to the decision? Case closed on that argument.

 

[Kaiser]

I hope Pennsylvania wins. I was disgusted by Emert's and the NCAA's actions; Throwing out the rules and due process to gain some good cheap PR by exploiting the issue of child [ Baylor accusations ].

 

[pcf]

I hope Pennsylvania wins. I was disgusted by Emert's and the NCAA's actions; Throwing out the rules and due process to gain some good cheap PR by exploiting the issue of child [ Baylor accusations ].

Yeah, it is outrageous that Penn State's football program should be penalized for covering up child [ Baylor accusations ]. Where are the NCAA rules against covering up child [ Baylor accusations ]?!?!?!?! They shouldn't mess with football just because the Pope of PSU and the administration didn't drop the hammer. It could hurt recruiting and ticket sales!!!!!

You all sound like the Russian ambassador to the UN...

 

[Kaiser]

Yeah, it is outrageous that Penn State's football program should be penalized for covering up child [ Baylor accusations ]. Where are the NCAA rules against covering up child [ Baylor accusations ]?!?!?!?! They shouldn't mess with football just because the Pope of PSU and the administration didn't drop the hammer. It could hurt recruiting and ticket sales!!!!!

You all sound like the Russian ambassador to the UN...

The point of wanting the NCAA to follow rules isn't to protect Penn State, it's to protect all the rest of us.

 

[pcf]

The point of wanting the NCAA to follow rules isn't to protect Penn State, it's to protect all the rest of us.

Yeah, let's let them get by with it because of our fear. That's the type of cowardice that got PSU in trouble in the first place.

 

[froginaustin]

I thought that part of the NCAA - PSU deal was that Penn State had to agree to the punishment, and not contest it. Sounds like a frequent deal on a criminal plea-bargain.

I understand that there is some ambiguity about whether PSU is a state-supported school. I think they try to be some sort of public-private hybrid. But if there is any "public" in it at all, PSU is to some degree an agency of the Commonwealth of Penn. No?

If the State government acts for a state agency, isn't that the same as PSU "contesting" the NCAA penalties?

Sounds like this is a pretty risky move for PSU. If the lawsuit is not a winner (particularly if it is poured out at the summary judgment stage and it's likely a better candidate than most lawsuits for that), might the NCAA add even more punishment?

If one tries to kill the king he'd best succeed.

 

[pcf]

This suit is goofy.

75]Corbett's chief counsel, James Schultz, said that newly elected Attorney General Kathleen Kane had not yet been briefed on the suit but that he would speak to her after the news conference.​

75]For her part, Kane said in a statement, "As I was not consulted or briefed beforehand on the commonwealth's action against the NCAA, I must reserve comment until I have had an opportunity to review the case filing and receive a full briefing on the matter."​

75]http://www.philly.co..._sanctions.html​

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20130103_DN_Editorial__Corbett_s_NCAA_lawsuit_loses_sight_of_the_real_victims.html

 

[BrewingFrog]

That's why I am curious about the collusion angle. The BIG10 has an interest in a weakened, bit still living PSU so that they have a patsy with a recognizable name. A dead PSU does them no good.

Did ESPN lobby the NCAA to avoid the Death Penalty for PSU?

 

[pcf]

That's why I am curious about the collusion angle. The BIG10 has an interest in a weakened, bit still living PSU so that they have a patsy with a recognizable name. A dead PSU does them no good.

Did ESPN lobby the NCAA to avoid the Death Penalty for PSU?

Why inject conspiracy? Why would the NCAA even want to impose the death penalty in this case?

 

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, it is outrageous that Penn State's football program should be penalized for covering up child [ Baylor accusations ].

Was it the football program that covering it up, or people that happened to be associated with the football program (and some that weren't) covering it up?

 

[Delmonico]

 

[HToady]

The penalties didn't go far enough. The President of the University besmudged the reputation of the entire University. Penn State University is now known as "that place where the phedophile was" not the Penn State Football Team. I think the basketball and baseball teams still play under the moniker of Penn State University. Don't think it's not an issue for the "regular student" that is applying there as well.To me it's a breach of contract, Penn State lowered itself. All athletes should have had the chance to leave.

It's pretty arrogant on the part of PSU not to eat their humble pie. If I were NCAA, I would consider extending the offer to leave to ALL PSU athletes. Then, if they are going to fight, I would ask the other NCAA represented Universities to "black list" them. We won't call it the Death Penalty.

 

[pcf]

Was it the football program that covering it up, or people that happened to be associated with the football program (and some that weren't) covering it up?

If TCU can get in trouble because of whatever I might do wrong as a fan and supporter who is only loosely affiliated with anything, I think the actual coach and administration fall within the circle.

 

[dweller]

Was it the football program that covering it up, or people that happened to be associated with the football program (and some that weren't) covering it up?

Let's see, the Head Coach, the AD, the President of the University..................I'd say that makes it the football program.

 

[Delmonico]

Let's see, the Head Coach, the AD, the President of the University..................I'd say that makes it the football program.

All fired, indicted, dead or a combination of those.