Gameday Thread, Little Apple Edition: TCU at Kansas State

[TopFrog]

Coming into the season I was thinking 9-3 was realistic. 10-2 if we got lucky.

8 wins now looks like a maybe.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Are you joking?
TCU just went 4-2 against an FCS team and 5 Power teams that are 16-15.
The rest of our schedule is 6 Power teams that are 27-10.
…..and you believe we will go 4-2 again in the 2nd half?
That’s NOT likely!

How did you think we were going to be 8-4? Or did you think like everyone else this was a 12-0 team?

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Coming into the season I was thinking 9-3 was realistic. 10-2 if we got lucky.

8 wins now looks like a maybe.

Fire the coach!

 

[Wally the Frog]

For me, I AM disappointed by the inconsistent offense. And that's fair. And I think it is also fair to expect more ability by a 3rd year coordinator at this point.

But also, I think this fanbase and board have PTSD from the Mountain West and 2014 style "1 single loss means that everything is meaningless and we should all just snake the belt over the fan if it happens" seasons we needed to even get to a good bowl. Undefeated seasons are ridiculously hard to accomplish if you are not one of 5 or so programs.

I have PTSD from last year. Going 8-4 in a big boy conference and being relegated to the New Mexico Bowl. 8-4 should get a decent bowl playing a decent other big boy school, but yet here we are.

 

[Frogs1983]

I believe Hoover may be a little dinged up and has taken some hits the last few weeks. He was definitely off today throwing balls behind receivers and not seeing the field either. His mechanics have also been off and he is forcing plays because we can't run the football. At one point he was grabbing his right shoulder today, so I don't think he is 100%.

They could run the ball today. Briles just completely abandoned it in the 3rd quarter however.

 

[hornedfrog86]

The road has been brutal for a lot of the conference

 

[FrogBall09]

Did you pick TCU to be 12-0 this year? I didn't. I had this game as a loss. I would love TCU to be 12-0, but I didn't see 12-0 as a possibility going into this season. Now, that doesn't mean that I think that the 3 or 4 losses that I anticipate this season means that our team is way worse than all the other teams on our schedule, I just know it is hard to go 12-0, especially when you haven't solved the problems at o-line. But we are still in line for 7-8 wins. If we lose to Baylor, Houston and Cincinnati then you can ask me if I believe that we underachieved. But I cannot gaslight you and say this was a 12-0 team that missed its mark. I really don't think I am the problem.

12-0? Are you kidding- we don’t need to be 12-0. This isn’t GP era where perfection was required - we just have to win a really avg conference or at least make the championship game

we just lost badly to a 2-4 team and you think we are going to beat a couple of 5-1 teams to get to 7 wins?

I expect TCU to be able to win double digit games and compete for the conference championship in a B12 that is considerably easier to win and a lot weaker overall than any conference we have been in since the early MWC days

And we are have not been even close to that since Dykes first year, won’t be close this year and show no change in direction to assume next year or after will be any different

Even last year - playing the weakest statistical schedule possible - we still finished middle of the pack and were irrelevant

This year we have the fortune of not playing the best team in the conference and still won’t be close

We are the new Tech - happy to be 8-4 in a good year knowing those won’t happen much and talking about a shared conference title years ago and one great day against Michigan

That is the future with our current staff

 

[gohornedfrogs]

12-0? Are you kidding- we don’t need to be 12-0. This isn’t GP era where perfection was required - we just have to win a really avg conference or at least make the championship game

we just lost badly to a 2-4 team and you think we are going to beat a couple of 5-1 teams to get to 7 wins?

I expect TCU to be able to win double digit games and compete for the conference championship in a B12 that is considerably easier to win and a lot weaker overall than any conference we have been in since the early MWC days

And we are have not been even close to that since Dykes first year, won’t be close this year and show no change in direction to assume next year or after will be any different

Even last year - playing the weakest statistical schedule possible - we still finished middle of the pack and were irrelevant

This year we have the fortune of not playing the best team in the conference and still won’t be close

We are the new Tech - happy to be 8-4 in a good year knowing those won’t happen much and talking about a shared conference title years ago and one great day against Michigan

That is the future with our current staff

Liked especially for the “we are the new Tech” comment.

I was texting with a Tech friend last night and said the same thing, and that Tech is the new TCU.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

How did you think we were going to be 8-4? Or did you think like everyone else this was a 12-0 team?

8-4 will require some luck. I hope we get there, but TCU is likely to lose 3 of the next 4 (BU, BYU, Iowa St.) Every game on our schedule is risky….@ Morgantown, Cincy rushes 190 yds/game, even Houston looks tough @ 5-1.

My line in the sand has always been Dykes must get us to 9-3 and/or at least the Poptarts or Texas Bowl (which would require 8-4 at a minimum).
If not, he needs to find work elsewhere, and who hires a fired coach with a career of 50% losing seasons?

In 6 games TCU has averaged 37 passes a game, while our RBs rush only 23 times….and it’s by design.
That philosophy is why Dykes is 14-13 vs. Power teams in the last 2.5 years.
He is only 10-10 vs. current B12 teams in the last 2.5 years. That won’t get us to a CCG! It’s just not good enough, not even close!
TCU has forgotten their identity, a Smash mouth running team.

 

[NORMLFROG]

In 6 games TCU has averaged 37 passes a game, while our RBs rush only 23 times….and it’s by design.
That philosophy is why Dykes is 14-13 vs. Power teams in the last 2.5 years.
He is only 10-10 vs. current B12 teams in the last 2.5 years. That won’t get us to a CCG! It’s just not good enough, not even close!
TCU has forgotten their identity, a Smash mouth running team.

By design. That's the poison pill right there. But let's run a screen or some cutesy trickery. Everything has a shelf life. Veer and its progeny had a shelf life, Woody Hayes had a shelf life, GP had a shelf life, the Run and Shoot and its progeny has a shelf life...and parachute pants????? Please don't get me started.

Pease end the coaching dumbassery.

 

[BrewingFrog]

Unnecessary

Not to mention stupid.

 

[FloridaFrog76129]

The worst part is when fans become apathetic and don’t care. Getting close to that for me.

This team is a beating to watch…

 

[An-Cap Frog]

12-0? Are you kidding- we don’t need to be 12-0. This isn’t GP era where perfection was required - we just have to win a really avg conference or at least make the championship game

we just lost badly to a 2-4 team and you think we are going to beat a couple of 5-1 teams to get to 7 wins?

I expect TCU to be able to win double digit games and compete for the conference championship in a B12 that is considerably easier to win and a lot weaker overall than any conference we have been in since the early MWC days

And we are have not been even close to that since Dykes first year, won’t be close this year and show no change in direction to assume next year or after will be any different

Even last year - playing the weakest statistical schedule possible - we still finished middle of the pack and were irrelevant

This year we have the fortune of not playing the best team in the conference and still won’t be close

We are the new Tech - happy to be 8-4 in a good year knowing those won’t happen much and talking about a shared conference title years ago and one great day against Michigan

That is the future with our current staff

Okay, since you didn't directly answer the question, I will assume that you believed that this team was going to be 10-2, 9-3, or 8-4. How did you exactly believe that were going to get those losses? Was it that we were going to play teams considerably better than us? I'd say no, I'd say that we as good as or even better talent overall on our roster than a good portion of the teams on our schedule. Was it because you thought that we did not address our offensive line in the offseason, like I did? Possibly, I have previously described Sonny's inability to have an offensive line ready post 2022 and if you think about it, this season should have been the first season that every o-lineman would be his. So, he's definitely failed in that sense. But I like our skill position players. I live our defense. Special teams are hurt right now, but this would have been year 2 of a kicker, and I think the punter is above average. Did you think that maybe we might encounter inconsistent play, possibly in hostile road environments? I did, only two road Big XII teams won on Saturday, so I think we agree that winning a conference game between similarly talented teams on the road is difficult. So, is a 4-2 disappointing considering that realistically we could be 6-0? I will grant you that, but is 4-2 for the first half of the season really that far off from your expectations going into this season? Now Sonny does need to get us to a conference title game or he should be replaced, but did you think we were guaranteed that this year? Or did you, like me, see at the beginning of the year that the team had some flaws, and that we would need some young players to step-up on the offensive line, that we would need players to step-up to fill a depleted WR corps, that we would need to generate turnovers and get better pressure on the defensive side of the ball and get better on 3rd down? Some of that has occurred (we are actually good defensively on early downs and terrible on late downs), there is an emergence at TE, we have good WRs, we have generated TOs, QB pressure has been a little better. I am not ready to cut bait as of yet, but I would say that if Sonny can't get us to Arlington next year or possibly be 1 game out, we should look in another direction. Now to be good we are going to need to have more dollars poured into football, it was one of the University's core missions, to be good at sports, and if they want to see conference title game appearances there will need to be a better effort in getting better in the trenches. We've got everything else.

 

[tmcats]

turnovers are just the pits.

i kept screaming: stop blitzing hoover. he's really good.

see y'all on the court.

 

[FrogBall09]

Okay, since you didn't directly answer the question, I will assume that you believed that this team was going to be 10-2, 9-3, or 8-4. How did you exactly believe that were going to get those losses? Was it that we were going to play teams considerably better than us? I'd say no, I'd say that we as good as or even better talent overall on our roster than a good portion of the teams on our schedule. Was it because you thought that we did not address our offensive line in the offseason, like I did? Possibly, I have previously described Sonny's inability to have an offensive line ready post 2022 and if you think about it, this season should have been the first season that every o-lineman would be his. So, he's definitely failed in that sense. But I like our skill position players. I live our defense. Special teams are hurt right now, but this would have been year 2 of a kicker, and I think the punter is above average. Did you think that maybe we might encounter inconsistent play, possibly in hostile road environments? I did, only two road Big XII teams won on Saturday, so I think we agree that winning a conference game between similarly talented teams on the road is difficult. So, is a 4-2 disappointing considering that realistically we could be 6-0? I will grant you that, but is 4-2 for the first half of the season really that far off from your expectations going into this season? Now Sonny does need to get us to a conference title game or he should be replaced, but did you think we were guaranteed that this year? Or did you, like me, see at the beginning of the year that the team had some flaws, and that we would need some young players to step-up on the offensive line, that we would need players to step-up to fill a depleted WR corps, that we would need to generate turnovers and get better pressure on the defensive side of the ball and get better on 3rd down? Some of that has occurred (we are actually good defensively on early downs and terrible on late downs), there is an emergence at TE, we have good WRs, we have generated TOs, QB pressure has been a little better. I am not ready to cut bait as of yet, but I would say that if Sonny can't get us to Arlington next year or possibly be 1 game out, we should look in another direction. Now to be good we are going to need to have more dollars poured into football, it was one of the University's core missions, to be good at sports, and if they want to see conference title game appearances there will need to be a better effort in getting better in the trenches. We've got everything else.

no - I said I don't think we need to be 12-0. I have never expected us to go undefeated even 2010 when we did.

I thought we would be 6-6 and possibly 5-7 and maybe 7-5 because our staff is really average at best and finds ways to not get better. Last year proved to me Dykes can really only beat below average teams consistently and might pull one out of his butt occasionally - only to give it back losing to a team that has not business beating us.

But that is not what I expect - I expect us to compete for the B12 championship and be the rep in the playoffs because this 12 team window is not going to last forever - and we are wasting it.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Okay, since you didn't directly answer the question, I will assume that you believed that this team was going to be 10-2, 9-3, or 8-4. How did you exactly believe that were going to get those losses? Was it that we were going to play teams considerably better than us? I'd say no, I'd say that we as good as or even better talent overall on our roster than a good portion of the teams on our schedule. Was it because you thought that we did not address our offensive line in the offseason, like I did? Possibly, I have previously described Sonny's inability to have an offensive line ready post 2022 and if you think about it, this season should have been the first season that every o-lineman would be his. So, he's definitely failed in that sense. But I like our skill position players. I live our defense. Special teams are hurt right now, but this would have been year 2 of a kicker, and I think the punter is above average. Did you think that maybe we might encounter inconsistent play, possibly in hostile road environments? I did, only two road Big XII teams won on Saturday, so I think we agree that winning a conference game between similarly talented teams on the road is difficult. So, is a 4-2 disappointing considering that realistically we could be 6-0? I will grant you that, but is 4-2 for the first half of the season really that far off from your expectations going into this season? Now Sonny does need to get us to a conference title game or he should be replaced, but did you think we were guaranteed that this year? Or did you, like me, see at the beginning of the year that the team had some flaws, and that we would need some young players to step-up on the offensive line, that we would need players to step-up to fill a depleted WR corps, that we would need to generate turnovers and get better pressure on the defensive side of the ball and get better on 3rd down? Some of that has occurred (we are actually good defensively on early downs and terrible on late downs), there is an emergence at TE, we have good WRs, we have generated TOs, QB pressure has been a little better. I am not ready to cut bait as of yet, but I would say that if Sonny can't get us to Arlington next year or possibly be 1 game out, we should look in another direction. Now to be good we are going to need to have more dollars poured into football, it was one of the University's core missions, to be good at sports, and if they want to see conference title game appearances there will need to be a better effort in getting better in the trenches. We've got everything else.

 

[Mean Purple]

Well, the guy that they went with did beat Michigan in the playoffs...

barely. they came storming back in the second half. seems like everybody adjusts to Sonny's stuff in the second half ... Sonny does not adjust to theirs.

Also, those were GP's players and we were not afraid to run the ball that year.

 

[Mean Purple]

The road has been brutal for a lot of the conference

we should not have lost to a 2 - 4 dog.

abandoning the run is happening every game. especially in the 3rd quarter. If Sonny is not going to step in and correct tape fingers, then they both need to go.

7 yards per carry and dip nut abandons the run. just so stupid.

 

[Mean Purple]

where are all the "air raid works just like the run game" folks?

 

[Mean Purple]